emaciated, bent, ripped fins. . .TB?

Flannery

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Hello everyone!
I really hope you can help me. Yahoo answers stinks!
I've had my 15 gallon tank for a few years. If I had known as much as I know now when I started out, I would've gotten a far bigger tank. Up until recently, I was only changing a couple gallons a week (but it was sometimes more like every two weeks) and vacuumed the gravel. That's only a little more than a ten percent water change. It's no wonder my poor fish are sick.
I originally had four gold barbs and two platies in there. And yes, I know now that that is overstocked, which is probably why my fish started dying. I think the problem started because I didn't know anything about water quality and gave my fish bare Ro water, which apparently has no minerals or whatever fish need to thrive. So the fish never grew from the juvenile state. And that was ok, I thought. They were still well rounded and acted normal besides being small. But, in recent months, I started mixing ro water with our well water.
But then a few months ago, one by one, the fish would start to get emaciated, the body lines became bent and they took to hiding. They had normal appetites, but no amount of feeding did anything.
And the other day I bought a tropical fish book by David B. and he said 50% water changes! I can't imagine how horrible their water must be! So yesterday I changed about 50%. And no, I don't have a ammonia, nitrate, nitrite test kit. I really feel very stupid about all this. I put off getting a test kit because it was "too expensive", but all these problems are going to cost way more, if only in stress!
Right now I'm down to two gold barbs and one platy. One gold barb looks really bad: emaciated, shredded fins, bent, and sitting on the bottom. I would be surprised if he lasts the day.
But now I'm really worried, because if they do have TB, I could have it, right? I garden a lot, so my hands often have little cuts and scratches, and I've never used gloves when I do stuff with the tank.
 
Can you post a picture of your fish? You can take some of your water to the fish store and they can test it for you.

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Welcome to AC! I wouldn't worry too much - Fish TB isn't very common, and you'd probably notice body sores before a bent spine. Sometimes fish on the bottom will look a bit curved.
 
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For some reason, I can't get my computer to upload my photos. But my last gold barb looks like this.
and this:
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I just read something interesting on another fish forum: something called "Skinny disease"? not actually a disease, just something to call it when the fish has parasites and other factors leading to anorexia and death. Can someone please help?
 
Well If your fish look like that now, I would be a little concerned about TB, if your thinking it might be internal parasites, you can feed food soaked in garlic and treat with meds to see if it will help.

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Do you have recommendations for worming treatment? I bought some aquarium salt yesterday and put the recommended amount in the tank.
I went on vacation and just got back a couple days ago and now I'm down to just the platy. He still looks ok, except his dorsal fin edge is a little ragged and he's hiding. I made a big water change today and plan on doing another one in a couple days. I went to walmart and looked at the fish tests but all they had were the dinky test strips which I heard are notorious for not being accurate. As soon as I have the funds I'm going to petco or petsmart and getting a real kit.
Everything I've read on TB matches with what my fish had/have. I bought a pair or gloves for myself to use when I do maintenance, but if it is tb, I'm really discouraged about fish keeping. It seems so sad that I would have to start all over, back to square one.
 
It could be TB, but without microscopic confirmation, diagnosing is usually just a "best guess" situation. I don't see any ulcers on the fish and worms are far more common. The fish will have the same emaciated appearance, often with a slack tail-end that could be mistaken for a bent spine.

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I lost these two little rams to the parasites before I figured out what was going on, and confirmed it post mortem with a blown-up pic of the area. The worms can be difficult to see otherwise. In-tank, they rarely venture out of moving fish.

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Below, my ram Bo also got them from livebearers who showed no signs. I'm now going to de-worm any new fish in quarantine as a matter of course.

You can buy medicated food here - http://www.angelsplus.com/MedsParasite.htm
or make your own with pelleted food and fenbendazole, the ingredient in Panacur and Safeguard 4 dog wormers.

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Divide a 1 gram packet in half. Dissolve one half in water and pour into tank after a water change. Dissolve the other half in 2 tablespoons water, 1/4 teaspoon alcohol and maybe 1/8 teaspoon garlic oil or crushed garlic to enhance the taste. Blend in 1 tablespoon or so pellets until well coated. Let air dry for a day or two and feed exclusively for a 7 - 10 days, then perform a water change. Refrigerate the remainder and repeat the treatment in two or three weeks time. Good luck!

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Oh, thank you! Since I was getting lots of doubt from other aquarists about it being TB, I figured it is probably something else, but what?
Those pics do look like how my poor fish looks now, though he's not at the point where he's resting on the bottom all the time. Do you think the salt I put in there will have any effect on the worms?
I'm not sure when I'll be able to get some of that stuff. Is there any fish medication specifically, or do I have to buy the dog and make the recipe?
 
I bought some fenbendazole today! Can I get rid of the worms just by putting the half gram packet in the tank, or do the fish have to consume it? This will mean I have to go out again, to get some kind of fish pellets.
 
Flannery,
You can use any kind of food including flakes or frozen bloodworms. Predissolve the half gram in a little water first. The med isn't very water soluble, so be sure to shake it up good then let some food soak in there for a while. Adding some garlic will help it adhere to the food and disguise the taste. Pour entire contents into tank. For the next feeding use just a little of the med at a time, maybe 1/16 gram, but it doesn't have to be exact. Soak the food again but don't add more med to the water column. Good luck, hope he pulls through!
 
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