Emperor vs. Magnum

Cypherman

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Apr 3, 2002
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What do you think? Both the Emperor 400 vs. Magnum 250 are $39.99 on BigAls...I need a main filter to support my AC300 on my 75 (yes I already know that isnt enough so dont bother saying so lol). The Emperor moves more water but the Magnum seems to "polish" it better. The Emperor has the biowheels, but for $25 bucks more I can get the Magnum 250 pro system that comes with a biowheel too. What do you guys think?
 
Owning both the HOT Magnum and the Emporer 400, I would say go with the Emporer 400. I think you get more for your money. The Emporer is rated for 80 gallons, the HOT is rated for 45 (I think). Although you can add the Bio-Wheels to the HOT Magnum, changing the media is a royal pain! Maintainence on the Emporer is a lot easier.

If you already had a solid bio-filter (like a big canister or a wet/dry), I would say go for the HOT Magnum and use the micron cartridge. However, the AC300 alone won't cut it for biological filtration on your tank.
 
I guess it depends on what you keep. If you're looking for chemical filtartion Magnums really do polish it well. If it's biological....naw, I'd stick with the Magnum again and use the bio balls. The Emperor is a good one though. I'm just never too impressed with the bio wheel to make me lean in that direction. $40? I need to get over there. I think you'll be happy with either one. If you still can't decide, then the Emperor would be easier to maintain, so maybe that'll tip the scale for you.
 
my magnum isnt up and running yet, but i have read that when polishing you may have to break it down a couple times a week to clean the micron filter. seems a little excessive to me. i thought i'd use it mechanically with carbon and the big fuzzy filter and have the
bio wheel do the biological..
 
Hm...1 for Emperor, and 1 for eithe way :D

2 more questions: I've heard Emperors can be noisy, especially when older, is this true NickH? Are Magnums noisy at all? And how do you change the media for the Magnum? I've read yo simply soak the micron cartridge when used once, but the main filter thingy...Do you have to replace that like any other cartridge? It seems kinda pricey from what I've seen
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And arent you only supposed to leave the micron on until the water is polished, then put on the normal cartridge?
 
Well, yeah, Emporers can be noisey. Noise can come from spray bars pushing the bio-wheels, the water return splashing into the tank, and the impeller. I had my last Emporer for about 5 years, and got rid of it because it got real crusty (I used it in a saltwater setup with sand for a while...not a good idea). I replaced the impeller, but it was still real loud. Still worked though. If you keep the impeller and chamber clean, it should stay quiet for years.

I've only had the Magnum for a couple of weeks. So far, it's been real quiet. However, the main seal does not work unless you apply the supplied silicon sealant. Hopefully I don' t need to add this everytime I crack open the canister, but I guess I will find out. Otherwise, it pulls air into the canister and never fully primes. Also, the main uplift tube has a small, clear plastic bubble extractor tube on it to pull air bubbles out of the filter. The only thing holding this in place is a gob of GE silicone. While reseating the media container, yeah, the tube broke free of the silicone. It sits in place for now but I guess I have to glue it back in there one of these days. I haven't even performed maintainence on it yet, this is just inital setup. Noticing a trend?

I picked up the HOT because I plan on getting another larger tank, and moving it between the two tanks for chemical filtration and polishing. I also plan on getting two Emporer 400's for the next tank for continious duty.

BTW, the micron cartridges are reusable. You just rinse them off. The regular filter floss should also be washable. Eventually, it will need replacement, like the cartridges in the Emporer. Changing the media requires pulling out the media basket, taking the lid off, etc. Not too complicated. Putting it back together is more, er, fun.

As I understand it, the Micron cartridge should be used until the water is as clear as you want. Then you empty the filter and clean the cartridge.
 
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I have two Emperor 400s on my 72g and I love them. They are great. Other than the normal noise of water trickle, they are silent. Maintainence is so easy. All I do once a week is put the filter cartridges in the dishwasher on a rinse cycle and every few months, replace them. I also put carbon in the media baskets that are provided. I haven't tried the other filter, but I would strongly recommend getting the Emperor.
 
Not always BV, I could have an Emperor 400 and an AC 500. Just because the AC is 500 gph doesn't mean it's better than the Emp. Many things come into finding out which filter is better, like the kinds of fish that will be in the tank, etc.
 
I would go with the emp over anything. I run a 400 on my 46 gallon and it works great. My only prob w/ it is that it is SO loud. The filter is quiet but the water trickling could drive you crazy.
 
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