Endler/guppy mix?

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I know that endlers and guppies are both livebearing, but I also know that mammals and guppies are both livebearing. Are endlers related to guppies closely enough that they could interbreed? Has anyone successfully mixed them? I just wonder, because I've been researching feeder guppies alot, preparing for my guppy tank (to feed my angels). I got sidetracked reading about breeding guppy strains. This got me wondering if endlers and guppies could be mixed, and if so, what the result would be.
 
not sure about endlers and guppies

but I know they platies and guppies can bear offspring together, athough that offspring has never known to be fertile
 
I just read that what we see in stores as endlers are already an endler/guppy hybrid.
 
well... on liveaquaria.com they acctually list endlers under the guppy section

maybe they are the same thing? lol

I honestly dont know...
 
I found your answer!!

FIRST SOURCE SAYS THIS-

"Poecilia wingei is a colorful fish, similar to (and closely related to) the guppy. The species was first collected from Laguna de Patos in Venezuela by Franklyn F. Bond in 1937, and rediscovered by Dr. John Endler in 1975. The latter were the first examples of this fish to make it to the aquarium trade. More have been collected since then, notably by Armando Pou, to expand the captive breeding stock. The original Laguna de Patos population is threatened by runoff from a municipal garbage dump. Though it is rare in pet shops, this species is seen from time to time today in the aquarium"


and in reguards to hybrids...

"Endler's can be crossed with guppies and the hybrid offspring are fertile. This is considered to dilute the gene pool and therefore is avoided by fish breeders who wish to maintain pure strains. Many fish sold in pet stores as Endler's livebearers are actually these hybrids. Some breeders are intentionally hybridizing Endler's with fancy guppies to create fish with the characteristics of both. In addition, as reticulatawingei, it is possible that natural hybridization may also occur in the wild. has been found in the same bodies of water as as wingei, it is possible that natural hybridization may also occur in the wild"


interesting to know.. i breed lots of live bearers.. but I have NEVER owned an endler.. I might have to pick some up
 
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I have some hybrids. They are crossed with yellow snakeskin guppy and your normal run of the mill endler.
The males stay small and have the colors of the yellow snakeskin. Their tail is a little goofy though on all the males I have.
 
Endler / guppy hybrids are very possible. I have some descendants of an Armando Pou collection but I need to be very careful with them to avoid guppy contamination of my stock. In the meantime Adrian Hernandez of swamp river aquatics breeds lots of intentional guppy / endler crosses. Some of his crosses are stunning fish but he clearly labels his as crosses. As others have already said, many of the fish that you see called endlers in pet shops like "tiger endlers" are known crosses of the fish and a large fraction of them were originally developed by Adrian and sold out of his business.
 
I was at petsmart the other day, because I'm looking for endlers... and I saw a fish that looked like an endler with a different tail. Turns out it was a lyretail guppy. Looks just like an endler (IMO) with a long tail. No idea if it's a hybrid or anything though.
 
They can't hybridize, cuz they're the same species. Poecilia wingei is apparently not valid, they and guppies are found in the same water bodies in nature, and they freely interbreed. Ted Coletti has written a lot on how endlers don't qualify as their own species, and he makes a very convincing argument.
 
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