Group of severums in a single tank

fishie111

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I've been continuing to do research on severums and found the following article that discusses how to keep a peaceful community of large cichlids. It recommends stocking a larger number than I would have thought reasonable in a 75G tank. The reasoning is that with more fish, you have a pecking order and therefore any aggression is spread out among the group. I'm interested to see if any of you have feedback on this. I would love to stock my tank like this- it seems like it would be a great way to see observe the severum interact.

The recommended stocking plan given for this size tank is:

Smallish Tank (200 to 400 liters). Six severums or angelfish or festivums, one pair curviceps, one Sturisoma, six Corydoras, six medium-sized tetras.

Here is the reference:

http://www.calgaryaquariumsociety.com/archive.php?path=68
 
no way for severums, and personally i wouldn't go there with angels either. there is just absolutely not enough space in a 75g tank for 6 or more of those species. severums reach at least 8-10 inches when mature, older males can hit a foot. the author says "you wouldn't put 50 inches of oscar in a 50g tank" but then is recommending 60-72 inches of severum in a 50-100g tank. as far as being planted, who cares if you bury the roots. severums will still try and rearrange the tank to their liking. even if they don't eat the plants, they may still pull the leaves off of them. i have silk plants in my tank with severums, and i see them everyday trying to yank the leaves off. the edges of many are frayed. it's not because they're hungry, it's because that leaf happens to be blocking their cave or is in the way when they swim or they just don't like it because it looks at them funny.

the pecking order thing DOES work, but it only works in a large enough tank for the size of the group. it doesn't reduce the aggression that is already going to be present, it spreads it out enough so no one fish gets the brunt of it. in a tank that is too small, aggression gets worse because there are not enough territories for each fish to claim as their own. instead of having a peaceful tank, you have a tank where the weakest members are killed until there is an appropriate amount of space for all that are left. then they may calm down and interact peacefully. either three severums in a 75g (with somewhere to move one if it gets bullied) or at least 125g for six. i keep 6 severums, 2 are in a 150g with 4 angels (who, in a 5 foot tank, still pick on each other occasionally) and the other 4 are in a 120 with some smaller cichlids and other fish. they used to be all together in the 120, but even when they were all under 3 inches, the tank was too small for them. there was constant fighting until i removed the dominant fish and the weakest fish. they were separated (from that tank and from each other) and then reintroduced in the 150g. now everyone is happy. while there is still chasing and they "make faces" at each other, there is no more physical contact.

and just as a side note, i don't like the writer's attitude at all. plenty of people keep oscars because of the behaviors mentioned in the article. discus and angelfish aren't wimps. my stupid angelfish used to beat the crap out of each other in their 55g tank, and it was never breeding-related behavior either. they're just mean. he wants to put geophagus in a tank with eggcrate on the bottom? great idea.... except that they simply shuffle the sand around and leave patches where the eggcrate shows through. i have one in my tank, and i have eggcrate holding down the silk plants. i would have to move the sand around everyday just to keep it looking nice.
 
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I am with wataugachicken on this one! I have sevs and angels, there is NO way I would put more than a pair of Sevs in a 75. The angels, you might, MIGHT, be able to get away with 2 pair in a 55, it just depends on the angel. As far as plants go, I keep hornwort, java ferns, and anubias in my sevs tank - they eat it all except the anubias.
 
Thanks for the quick responses. I was also surprised by the contradiction in the author's statements regarding stocking oscars and severums. I'd love six severums, but in my 75G, I am just going to see if I can get a pair.
 
the whole thing just makes me wonder if the author has ever kept severums or seen them beyond looking at a bunch of quarter-sized juveniles at his LFS. argh. the more i read through the article, the more stuff i find to pick at.

You may also want to use CO2 injection to lower the tank pH to near neutral, as this will assist your plants

uh, you got it backwards. the lowered pH doesn't help the plants, the addition of CO2 does. changes in the pH are a side-effect of adding CO2, not the reason for it.

The uaru (Uaru amphiacanthoides) would be a very nice fish to include as well, but these fish get extremely large, so need at least an 800-liter tank.

Hmmm. If "extremely large" equals 8-12 inches, then I guess severums would rate as extremely large as well since they reach the exact same sizes, which would mean 6 severums need at least 800 liters.

Don't take this guy's words with a grain of salt - carry the whole salt shaker with you.
 
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I know what you mean. Mine are still juvies at about 4 - 5" and I can not imagine having them squashed in like sardines! They already have pretty much divided my tank in half and chase each other out of "their" half. On a side note to the OP, my sevs tend to leave everyone else alone.
 
Several of the plants recommended above (especially Ludwigia and Valisneria) are "bright light" plants. So every effort should be made to supply at least 1 watt of high quality fluorescent lighting for every 2 liters of tank capacity. This can only be economically done if you build your own hood.

Wonder if this guy has even kept plants before...:shakehead:
 
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