guppy turning black and having seizures...

Dahlia

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So in my feeder tank where a predacious diving/water beetle resides, I am having a weird fish problem. I'm trying to determine the source, as I'd rather not find out it's a disease all my guppies are about to drop dead from.

It's a 20 gallon tank, about 30 guppies, most of which are small fry. I have picked 6 bodies out of the tank over the last 2 weeks since I got the water beetle (who supposedly eats fish but no matter how long I watch him I haven't caught him at it). However, as the guppies are prone to picking at their dead, I couldn't decide if the water beetle killed them or if they died from other causes. I'm assuming since the water beetle seems healthy after 2 weeks that it is in fact eating, though.

I don't think these previous fish died from the same ailment as the one I just observed. I spent over an hour watching the tank this morning and all the fish and the beetle were active and healthy. Now around 6pm I noticed one of the male guppies was having what looked like seizures and his body and fins were literally turning black. He normally has orange-red fins, but they were black from the tips to the point where it joins the body. There is also a thin black line that runs the length of the body and bisects the body in the middle. It isn't purple and bruised, but black almost like someone tattooed it with pigment. The black on the tail looks like skin pigment as well. The fish is swimming poorly and spasming.

Water parameters (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate) are all 0.

The only two guesses I have are if the beetle did not actually kill the fish when it injected it with venom and sucked its "juices" out (eww) or the fact that earlier this week I added crushed coral to the tank to get the pH up from 6.6. I did this slowly, a half cup every 8 hours. It was rinsed but still clouded the water a bit.

There has been no signs of ich in this tank (my 90 is nearly over a bout of it). The fish in this tank are relatively new (2 weeks). All the other fish in the tank appear to be healthy and are swimming around.

Any ideas appreciated!

Also, for more information on my diving beetle, go here.
 
Well, not that I have witnessed it yet, but supposedly the beetle injects the fish with venom and sucks its insides. I can't see any puncture marks in this fish but perhaps it is small. I also have wondered if the fish was injured, such as its body being bent somehow since it has black lines bisecting its middle. I was well familiar with this particular fish before this occurred, and this morning it was pale in color with bright orange fins. I am probably going to put it down soon as I don't think it will recover and I hate to see it suffer, I was more hoping for a clue to the cause than anything. It has been hovering in the EXACT same place in the tank for over 6 hours... almost as though attached to a string (it's not, I checked). It is about 6 inches above the substrate moving its pectoral fins constantly to keep that position in the tank, otherwise it shows no movement. Some of the color is also returning to its tail fin, but it is still very grey and black. It is swimming with its body in an almost completely vertical position.
 
Originally posted by Dahlia
supposedly the beetle injects the fish with venom and sucks its insides.

Sounds like you have it figured out. The venom is toxic, paralyzes the victim and the beetle probably sucks it clean later, in the dark. Like a spider.

What a creepy thing to have.... ick
 
I don't really know much about the beetle but it sounds as if you might be on the right path with your guesstimate. The only other guess I would have is maybe the fish nipped at the bug which released toxins that way?? Either way, it definitely looks like the fish is poisoned in some way or the other... :confused:
 
wouldnt the best bet be to get ride of the beetle and does lots a small water changes over a few days?? its not connecting with my why you havent done that yet??
 
Because the point of that tank was to have the water beetle, not the feeder guppies, which are in fact feeders. I was just trying to decide if that was actually the cause or not. Since it is a new "pet" that no one really knows much about keeping in captivity, I'm having to learn as I go. I find insects fascinating, thus the appeal of this creature. I was mostly concerned that this may be a fish disease I hadn't heard of before, so I wanted to double check.

Incidentally, why do you recommend lots of small water changes?

For a thread on my beetle from another site complete with pictures, go here.

I also posted a link to the thread from this site on it above.
 
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