Help! Gourami spawned!

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My gouramis just spawned in my 55 gallon community tank. Right now I have 4 otos, 1 panda cory and 3 gouramis in it.

What should I do with the fry when they hatch? I have a ten gallon tank I can move them into but it's not cycled. If I do move the fry, how should I do that? If I want to feed them infusorians, where can I find the stagnant puddle if it's freezing outside? Would the fry be all right on their own? Would some survive? Is that liquid fry food good? I'm worried about the current caused by a powerhead in my tank, would that injure them?

Any help is greatly appreciated as I really wasn't expecting this! :eek:
 
I can't help you with the specifics of the gourami's, but I can give you a few fry tips.

The liquid stuff I haven't heard any goods or bads about, only to use it sparingly as it will foul your tank very easily.
To give your 10-Gallon a headstart on cycling, take some things from your 55, like filter inserts (cut some to make it fit into your no doubt smaller 10 gallon filter), some gravel, some ornaments, and SOME water, and place them into your 10 Gallon. Tanks can be cycled in 2 days like this.

I don't know how many fry gourami's create, or whether they eat their young, so it is possible you may just be able to keep them in the 55. If it doesn't turn out this time, you will have a fry tank ready for them if they spawn again. Make sure you place a breeders net, or a nylon socking or sponge as a prefilter on your 10 gallon's filter if it has an open intake where fry may slip through.
 
From my experience with blue Gourami,

You may have from 20-200 fry in a decent spawning.

You can either seperate them out into a seperate tank (see above tips for speed cycling), or move all the other occupants.

Or of course you could just leave them to thier own devices to survive. I would recommend in that case putting several floating plants and dence plant areas for them to hide in into the tank. Needless to say this method will result in alot fewer of the fry seeing adulthood.
 
First of all congratulations it is not easy to spawn gouramis as they tend to require soft water for them to breed. For food go with microworms to play it safe. You can also use the powdered foods offered at LFS's but be prepared to loose some with this method.About moving the fry I know gouramis don't eat their young and the corries and otto will ignore them. But the other gourami that has not participated in the spawn will eat many of them . Its your choice do what you think is best for them but I would start cycling the spare tank right away so that I could move them in case its needed. Again congrats, what were the water parameters in your tank?
Vision
 
Gourami fry are among the smallest, so feeding in the first ten days isn't easy. Infusoria are the traditional first food, followed soon by vinegar "eels." Infusoria you can culture yourself. There are several methods linked at www.skepticalaquarist.com where you'll find information on the vinegar "eels" (they're) nematodes.

Fry this small can't be netted. Your cory is safe with them and so are the Otos. The gouramis will have to go to the new tank.

That's a good suggestion Skippy made about leaving them to their own devices among plants. If plants are healthy, you could fillup the tank with them, like masses of Java Moss.
 
My best two plants to use for this have been foxtail and java moss.

The foxtail will go bottom to top of the tank and the stuff I have grows in almost any water.

JAva Moss it good for dense coverage around the bottom.
 
I posted a similar Q a few months ago :p The 10 gal tank should be fine as a start, I fed my babies the way over-priced liquid fry food for the first week or so, then started feeding the baby brine shrimp and powered flake. I fed them 3X per day and did daily water changes- they were in a 5 gallon tank. I've sold 48 of them and still have at least that many left, occupying 2- 20 gallon tanks. The death rate was very low-I've already decided to keep 6 of them and will be building a giant (200+ gallon) SE Asian biotope that will house the Gold Gouramis, Clown Loaches and some other fish-probably Harlequin Rasboras and Zebra Danios. Good Luck, Steve... Edit- I moved my fry-accendentally :0 - I'd placed some floating plants in my tank and 2 days later the males were chasing all the other fish off, so i took a bucket of treated water and pulled the disputed plants out of the tank. The next day I put the plants under some light and noticed that the plants were full of wigglers :eek: I don't recommend this however ;) ..End Edit
 
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Of my last spawning of blue gourami I have 6 left out of a large spawning.

This is mostly because I had a heater go out in the tank that they were growing out in. A testament to keeping a consistent and warm temp for them.

I have had tons of heater problems lately, the heater fairy is not loving me.
 
What I did ...

Hi all,

I'm in the middle of rearing a batch of 200-300 blues gouramis. And figured I'd share what I've done this far to get them to spawn, and how I've cared for the fry (so far).

Getting them to spawn.

I have a 75 gal tank, 3 gouramis, and 15 or so guppies, with loads of plants (rooted and floating), snails, and ghost shrimp. I mention that because 75 gal is spacious for the amount of fish that I have, and the snails, live plants, & shrimp do a superb job in keeping the tank clean and healthy (I never have to clean the tank, and I only need to do a partial water change every few months)

Floating plants are key for the gouramis. Gouramis love to hide under floating plants, and they build their bubble nest in floating plants. I've had one Gourami make a bubble nest with no plant cover, but it was a crappy nest, and it didn't work out well for him.

For a few weeks prior to spawning, I kept the water level high (close to the top of the tank), the temp at ~74 F, and had the aquarium lights on about 16 hours of the day.

To encourage spawning, I dropped the water level by about 1/5. So the tank was 4/5 ths full. I raised the temp to ~80 F, and started keeping the aquarium lights on 18-19 hours a day. This all seems to kick in the spring / summer time feeling, and lets the gouramis know it's time to spawn.

Once they are 'in the mood', you will see the male gourami build a bubble nest, and the gourami pair will begin to court. They do all sorts of mating rituals, sometimes chasing each other, stroking each other, coupling and dancing (what I call coupling is like them forming a gourami yin yang, one's head to the other tail fin). The final act is accomplished with more of the coupling, they form a tight ball, they shake violently, a bubble of eggs floats to the surface, and the male chases the female away.

The male will take the eggs in his mouth and arrange them in the bubble nest. He also guards the bubble nest against other fish. I don't know when he fertilizes the eggs? So I actually left the eggs in the bubble nest for a day or two, under the male's care.

After two days I could actually see the eggs starting to twitch and form little tails. This is when I scooped up the nest and the surrounding plants. Luckily for me the plants were all separate lily pads. They were not rooted, nor bound up together, so they scooped up easily.

I had previously prepared a 10 Gal tank and adjusted it's temperature to be the same as the parent tank, no gravel, no filters, nothing on the tank bottom. I kept ~80 F because the fry will grow a little faster at that temp, but much warmer than that will kill them. I did this days before I transferred the fry, and at the time of transferring I scooped up the nest in plastic cups with brought over water, lots of tiny floating lily pads, and the fry from the parent tank.

The fry will live for a few days on their egg sacs alone. But after that you need some really tiny food for them, generally when the fry become barely free swimming (instead of just floating at the surface).

I've fed mine a few different things, don't know what they were actually eating because I put a little of each type of food in the tank.

1) Hardboiled egg yoke - Hard boil an egg, take a pea size pinch of the hard boiled yellow yoke, mush it with a teaspoon of water until it is in suspension, add a few drops of this into the tank. Over feeding this will foul the tank!

2) Coral / Filter feeder food - Weird I know, but it is essentially a bottle of phytoplankton starter. I just added a few drops every other day. They plankton is so small you can't see it, but the fry will.

3) Pepper grinder & normal flake food - Get a new and clean pepper grinder, set grinder to the smallest grain, I added flake food / baby freeze dried shrimp / slices of blood worm cubes ... then crank away! I actually ground up a little at a time, and added the ground food back into the grinder a second time. This worked to get all those foods into a powder form. Even thought the food looks like a powder, this is probably best for fry after they are a week or two old, and big enough to eat this kind of stuff.

I also have made the point to do very frequent water changes, 2 or 3 gallons (in a 10 gal tank), every 2 or 3 days. I use air tubes to siphon water in and out of the tank, slowly and gradually. A bubble stone on the air tube used to siphon out the tank water will prevent the fry from getting siphoned away. At the same time, I siphon fresh water back into the tank through another air tube. This keeps the water clean, and the turbulence low, and the temperature stable.

After the fry were 2 or 3 days in the 10 gal tank, I added a bubble stone and let a real fine stream of air bubbles in the tank. Just enough to keep some of the food floating around for the fry to see. Instead of letting the food rot on the bottom, I tried to stir up the existing food instead of continuously dropping new food into the tank.

That's pretty much it.
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Hope this helps someone interested in spawning gouramis!
Shane
 
i have the same problem...

i read the whole forum...and completely understand that i should start off with a 10 gal tank with plants and male and female and to pull her out when she drops her eggs...but... WHAT HAPPENS IF THEY DID THAT IN A COMMUNITY TANK!?!?!? man, i'm just trying to figure out if moving the fry out of the tank would be a good idea and how i would go about doing that... for instances... do i use a cup and just lure them in then take them out? or do i just take the brine shrimp-type net and just scoop them since they're labrinth fish? hope someone knows, thanks
 
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