How Should I Treat Velvet?

Jakezori

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How should I treat velvet in my main tank (seemingly unaffected so far) and In my qt tank (where the victim is)?


My silver dollar got velvet so I took him out of my 90 gallon and put him in a 20 gallon and raised the temp in my 90 and added some melafix before I realized it was velvet. What should I do from here.
 
It's a parasite, and it can be treated by the same meds that treat ich. I remember, once a long time ago, I thought my fish had it. I ended up being wrong, but at the time when I was researching it, I had decided that I would treat with a copper-based med like Copper Safe. I can't recall now why I decided that copper meds were the best, but that was the result of my internet research at the time.
Hope that helps! If you google it, you'll get lots of info.
 
Sorry, I just noticed that you were concerned about it being the main tank vs. QT, so I should add that copper meds will kill invertebrates. Plus, they're very hard to remove. Apparently, they are absorbed by the silicone and gravel and other porous stuff in the tank, and they will continue to leach back out over time, even after you've changed all the water and are running carbon. So, this is definitely a med for QT only.
Maybe, API General Cure is better for the main tank? I have some laying around, and it says that it treats velvet... but you should probably wait for someone who knows more about this to come along :) Good luck!
 
thanks for your help. I got some "parasite treatment for sensitive fish" stuff (even though silver dollars aren't sensitive.) I did a 75% water change and added a little water flow and he already seems happier. As for the 90 gallon, I raised the temp to 85 or so and turned off the lights and so far there is no sign of any fish with velvet.

I'm cautious, but hopeful.
 
Caution: Silver # and its cousins are very sensitive to certain ectoparasitic med.
Just be careful with med. Dose portion at a time in the future..
 
Good to know, thanks... I did the recommended portion and was thinking about adding more, but now I wont... good to know.
 
Symptoms of Velvet in Fish

Symptoms of velvet are similar to an ich infestation. You'll see small whitish spots on the fish, however, with velvet the spots will be much smaller and will not be completely white. In fact, the spots will be more yellowish in color. As with ich, the fish may act ill, with fins held close to the body, and you will often see the fish glancing off of rocks and other surfaces, presumably to dislodge the parasite, as they are irritating to the fish. If the gills are affected the fish will exhibit rapid respiration or gasp for air at the tank's surface.

Life Cycle of the Velvet Parasite

The velvet parasite has two life stages - a free-swimming form and a cyst form. The infective stage of this parasite is the free-swimming stage. During this stage the velvet parasite has 2 flagellae that enable it to propel itself through the water. The free-swimming stage of velvet is very small and is not visible to the naked eye (about 10 microns in diameter).
It propels itself through the water until it finds a suitable host, such as a fish. Once it finds a fish it will attach itself to the skin or gills of the fish and feed off of it.
Eventually it forms a cyst on the fish and remains there until it releases several hundred Piscinoodinium young that are of the free-swimming form. These go in search of another host and the cycle begins again. This is why velvet is so contagious.

Treating Fish Velvet

Fortunately, there are effective treatments for velvet. Copper sulfate seems to be the best treatment. You can use products with acriflavine in them, but these typically have unwanted side effects for the fish. The best product I've found for treating velvet is Coppersafe by Mardel, however, any copper sulfate solution made for aquarium fish should suffice. The only down side to using copper sulfate in your tank is that it kills invertebrates (if you have any).
The good thing about treating fish velvet with copper sulfate is that it also kills the ich parasite. Because of this, you don't need to distinguish between the two parasites. Copper sulfate gets rid of all external parasites in fish.
Keep in mind that it is only the free-swimming form of the velvet parasite that is affected by the treatment. In the encysted stage it is not vulnerable to treatment.
As mentioned earlier, if your fish have velvet, darkening your aquarium may help to irradicate the parasite. Adding a small amount of aquarium salt (1 tablespoon per 5 gallons of water) may also help.
 
I need help as well...

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...although my problem is a bit different. ALL MY FISH ARE DEAD!!! I'm reasonably new to all of this and had recently added a couple snails and 3 dainos. After the first couple fish had gotten ill and died I did some research (assuming the snails were the cause) and convinced myself that there was too much calcium in the water due to their shells and that the white spots on the fish were calcium deposits. <I'm not offended at all if you're laughing at my diagnosis> I did a 50% water change but by the time I had waited that out for positive results everyone was looking gloomy. The first velvet clue came when my plec looked like it had gold dust on it. Back to the internet I went and between that description and the mention, in a few places, that dainos are a common carrier I settled on Velvet, even though by then everyone was dead. Soooo, I took the opportunity to replace as much water as I could, clean the rocks, replace the plants (artificial) and clean any other apparatus in the tank that I could get at. That was this morning, the last fish died yesterday.

If you're still reading, I appreciate it because here's my question. Do I still need to go through the treatments mentioned, raising the temp and adding copper sulphate, or so you think I'm good to go. If I added just a couple fish to start, how fast do you think I'd see symptoms if there was still velvet parasites present?

Thanks ahead for any insight.
 
You might get more people to notice your question if you post a new thread in the illness section.
But, from what I know, the free-swimming stage of the parasite will die if it does not find a fish host within a limited amount of time. With ich, I believe that after 24 hours, the parasite dies if it doesn't find a fish. I'm not sure about the time frame for velvet. But, if you let you tank sit with no fish for enough time, all the parasites will die.
Continuing to drop in a little fish food while you do this will help keep your cycle alive.
 
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