I'm a newbie and need help with cichlids...

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Hello! My father-in-law is giving us his 125 gallon tank tomorrow. I was hoping to keep the gravel wet to save the bacteria and not have to cycle for as long but he says the tank is all green and gross so I guess I'll spray everything off and start from scratch. I would like to have a Lake Malawi cichlid tank. I have 2 kids and would like a variety of colors. I've heard several opinions on cycling ranging from 1 week to 1 month. Does that stuff called "Stability" really speed up the process or should I wait a month? Also, not sure how many fish to use when starting up the tank. The pet store guy suggested 6-8 and then said I could add 3 or 4 a week. He also said I should overcrowd to reduce aggressiveness. I know I want the electric yellows and cobalt blue zebras and blue peacocks, any other suggestions? Should I throw in one of those Synodontis catfish? I was gonna buy a 40 lb. bag of aragonite to mix in with the gravel. These fish like places to hide, right? So I've heard driftwood messes with the pH, so what should I get for good hiding spots? I was not planning on keeping any real plants in there, just artificial. And they eat flake food and brine shrimp, right? I was planning on keeping the pH at 8, the temp at 78 and the dH around 12. Does that sound correct? How many males/females should I get or should I get all males? (I'm not interested in breeding, I'm too new to this) Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. I don't know what the heck I'm doing but have gotten tons of books at the library and have been all over the internet to educate myself. Also - Should I buy the cichlids from the local fish guy or should I order online from liveaquaria? I just want to keep them alive and healthy!

Thanks in advance,
Erin
 
I wouldn't use "Stability"...avoid putting any chemicals in your tank other than water conditioner.

It would be better to cycle fishless...there are threads about that stickied in these forums, and if you do decide to do a "fishy" cycle 6-8 fish would be far too many.

Driftwood can slowly lower the pH of water...it is considered one of the more "safe and natural" ways to do so.

I really haven't studied up on African Cichlids very much...but overcrowding does not sound like a good way to reduce aggression.
 
I thought of a few more questions -

What type of background have you all been happiest with? I didn't know whether to go with a solid color or one with the plants and fish on it. I have heard you should not use tape to attach the background so what do you use??

I don't understand how the python works. Anyone have this? If it sucks out the water and cleans the gravel at the same time, then puts your tap water in then it hasn't been conditioned, right? I am confused.

What is the best water conditioner to use?

I'm sure I'll have lots more questions...

Erin
 
Prime is my favorite water conditioner, but everyone has their own preferences.

The python connects to your sink and uses running water to create the suction to remove water/gravel vac your tank. It does add water back straight from the tap (you add the water conditioner straight to the tank before you start putting the new water in), and make sure you have your water temp. adjusted properly. With a big tank like yours it will prob be a big help.

Hopefully someone else can assist you more with the stocking questions. ^^ The best suggestion I can make is...find as many sources of information on different fish as you can. There is a lot of old/misleading info out there.
 
The only thing on the market that will quick cycle your tank is Bio-Spira. The rest are garbage.

Python has a valve near the faucet that allows it to switch directions. It functions like a waterbed pump. You set it to suck water to clean/vac and then you twist the valve to send water to the tank. You add dechlorinator for the WHOLE tank when doing this. Some people say you don't have to, but I'd rather follow the directions and not take a chance.

You can use it to fill a bucket and treat the water in the bucket then dump it in your tank as it has a shut off valve near the fill end.

Most people recommend using Prime. Just make sure whatever you use removed chlorine and chloramine and neutralizes ammonia.

If the tank is all green, you are better off starting from scratch. If it has plain old gravel in it, you probably want to get coral sand since it will buffer the water alkaline and make it hard whichis what most african cichlids like.

You can use tape to attach a background or paint it a solid color. Most people use blue, but I like black. Use Krylon if you want spray paint. It's safe to use with aquariums. Paint the outside :D
 
Hello! My father-in-law is giving us his 125 gallon tank tomorrow. I was hoping to keep the gravel wet to save the bacteria and not have to cycle for as long but he says the tank is all green and gross so I guess I'll spray everything off and start from scratch. I would like to have a Lake Malawi cichlid tank. I have 2 kids and would like a variety of colors. I've heard several opinions on cycling ranging from 1 week to 1 month. Does that stuff called "Stability" really speed up the process or should I wait a month? Also, not sure how many fish to use when starting up the tank. The pet store guy suggested 6-8 and then said I could add 3 or 4 a week. He also said I should overcrowd to reduce aggressiveness. I know I want the electric yellows and cobalt blue zebras and blue peacocks, any other suggestions? Should I throw in one of those Synodontis catfish? I was gonna buy a 40 lb. bag of aragonite to mix in with the gravel. These fish like places to hide, right? So I've heard driftwood messes with the pH, so what should I get for good hiding spots? I was not planning on keeping any real plants in there, just artificial. And they eat flake food and brine shrimp, right? I was planning on keeping the pH at 8, the temp at 78 and the dH around 12. Does that sound correct? How many males/females should I get or should I get all males? (I'm not interested in breeding, I'm too new to this) Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated. I don't know what the heck I'm doing but have gotten tons of books at the library and have been all over the internet to educate myself. Also - Should I buy the cichlids from the local fish guy or should I order online from liveaquaria? I just want to keep them alive and healthy!

Thanks in advance,
Erin

Good luck with the tank !

I would say to you as follows :

1. Don't rely on any product to speed up a cycle; the only one that seems to work much is biospira, and that's hit or miss.

2. Check out the species profiles on www.cichlidforum.com, also the 'cookie cutter' stocking suggestions - feel free to get back on here then with your preferences and if anyone sees any issues we can try and clear them up for you.

3. Synodontis are great little catfish for a malawi tank - multipunctatus are my particular favourit and you could have a group of them in a 125 gallon.

4. For hiding spots think rocks, rocks and more rocks, stacked up and down the tank according to your particlular preference. Check out the photo forum and you'll see some really nice malawi set-ups.

5. Fake plants are pretty much your only option if you want plants - they'll wreck any thing else.

6. Ph is fine at 8. Technically 8.2 would be spot on but 8 is not going to cause any difficulties. Don't be tempted to try and use products to artifically mess with your Ph - stability is far more important for most fish.

7. In general you would stock 1 male with 3/4 females per species with some exceptions; demasoni are better with 1/2 males and 10/12 females. This cuts down on aggression.

8. Starting with 6/8 fish and adding 3 or 4 every couple of weeks is I think a good idea - lets you ensure everything is settling down nicely after additions. With malawis though I wouldn't be adding them until the tank is cycled - read up on fishless cycling. It may take some time (3/4 weeks) but its a lot less stressful than trying to cycle with fish in the tank. And malawi are a) very sensititve to poor water and b) not cheap.


9. If you have a good shop locally, then support your local fish shop !

10. I like a plain blue or black background. Recently changed mine to black and like it a lot - really pops the fish out.
 
Thanks for all the advice! And Coler - I just clicked on the link at the bottom of your message. What an awesome tank! How many and what kind of cichlids do you have in there? And what are those rocks called? I need to go to the LFS and buy a bunch of tank decor. I checked out those cookie cutter choices on the other site and it confused the heck outta me. Plus it only went up to 75 gal so I can have a few more fish than that in a 125, right?

Thanks again for all the help everyone!

Erin
 
thanks :)

I'm pretty new myself - no experience of stocking a 125 but yes you can certainly do more than in a 75. The recipes are good for a starting point - have a look at the species profiles and see what you like...then get back to us :)

The rocks are tufa rock - they're a great choice if you can get them; lightweigh and brilliant for caves.
 
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