Java Fern + Scat = Dead Scat? Really?

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I really want to get some real plants in my aquarium and I'm looking at the java fern (because my pet store has them). But I read how java ferns are considered poisonous if eaten, and since scats eat plants, it would result into killing the scat.

Can anyone recommend a site where I can order some plants to relatively cheap? I'm not interested in paying $10+ for shipping...
 
I'm confused. Are you looking for an answer to the Java fern question, a plant that scats will not eat, or just cheap plants?
I don't think it matters how cheap the plant is, if it's going in a scat tank, it's a waste of money. Don't scats need higher salinities than most plants can handle anyway?
I know someone that sells plants pretty cheap (shipping $6 for one auction I looked at). Though, it's nothing that wouldn't be annihilated in a brackish scat tank.
 
Brackish+Plants= BAD idea

Scats+Freshwater= BAD idea


so.. basically... this isnt happening.. lol
 
7itanium said:
Brackish+Plants= BAD idea

Scats+Freshwater= BAD idea


so.. basically... this isnt happening.. lol
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Now hold on a second. There are plenty of plants that can at least tolerate low-end brackish. Java fern is well known for tolerating salt. It's even found in brackish waters in the wild. Java moss also survives in brackish. Right now I have microsword, Vallisneria, and Java moss growing at 1.006 or so. The glosso in that same tank appears to be hanging on for dear life but alive nonetheless.
I've seen banana plants do quite well in brackish. Their relative the red tiger lotus melted soon after being introduced, but that may be because it was left floating unplanted. Even the one in fresh melted a little, but is now growing very well.
But in general, scats aren't compatible with plants.
 
Gobioides said:
I'm confused. Are you looking for an answer to the Java fern question, a plant that scats will not eat, or just cheap plants?
I don't think it matters how cheap the plant is, if it's going in a scat tank, it's a waste of money. Don't scats need higher salinities than most plants can handle anyway?
I know someone that sells plants pretty cheap (shipping $6 for one auction I looked at). Though, it's nothing that wouldn't be annihilated in a brackish scat tank.
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Sorry for not being more clear...

question 1) can scats die from eating java fern?

question 2) can anyone recommend a site or personal seller who sells plants for a good price?

It looks like regards to the comments above, any plants in a scat tank is not a good idea... I actually ended up buying two plants from petsmart today (before reading any of the posts). I ended up getting one bunch of hornwort and an onion plants because I read how they can tolerate brackish water. I didn't get into the nitty-gritty on things as I'm new to the hobby and I'm realizing from the posts above that plants only do well in low-end brackish water.

My tank is a 30g at SG of 1.008. It seems like what you are saying is that with a SG that high, any plant will not do well in it.

Alongside to the SG, you're also saying plants in a tank with scats in it is bad too, as the scats will eat it...

I currently have the plants in my tank as I type and my two juvenile scats (about the size of a quarter) don't even touch the plants. Does this have to do with their size/age?

I'm thinking of just returning the plants tomorrow if you guy think its not a good idea on keeping the plants in the tank...
 
I would keep the two plants you bought and see what happens.
I have both hornwort and an onion plant in my brackish tank that are doing very well.
I have not kept scats, so maybe it will go after the onion plant, but most fish leave hornwort alone. They find it distateful. So that one may work out.
I have also read that java fern is poisonous and has been known to kill scats. I don't know if it is true, but it would make me afraid to try.
I would see how those plants go, then maybe add more latter if they make it.
The classified section here is a great place to buy plants. Most of my plants came from here or ebay.
 
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