LFS sickened me today.

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While in my local shopping centre (mall for the yanks) i went to the pet store. this is a "we sell everything" store and the disposible fish are in the back corner. when i looked at there bettas there all in about 600ml of water with a little bit of gravel. no filter no heater no nothing. also i noticed out of the 15, 4 were dead 6 were almost dead 1 seemed ok and 4 were upsidedown and gasping. when i said to the attendant "hey i think you might need to change the water or do something for thoes poor fish" he replied with "nah there fine just resting" so i said "nah there not fine some are dead and the rest are dieing" he sad "do you work in a pet store? do you know what your talking about?" and i said "no, i keep fish and any retard with half a brain could see theres something wrong with thoes fish" then he asked me to leave and i did. after saying how would he like it if i locked him in his dunny for the rest of his life and dropped a few pellets on his head each day.

anyway after venting. is there any organisation i can get involved to stop this? australias animal laws are quite extensive so id say fish are covered in some way from cruelty.
 
first of all, calling the employee a half-brained retard was a bad idea. that just makes YOU another crazy customer. try to avoid the insults in the future.

the next thing you can do is speak to the store owner. try to get the owner, not the manager. the manager will just work there, the owner is the one who gets all the money in the end. he or she should be more concerned about his bottom line than an hourly employee will be.

tell him about the situation you observed, and let him know that since the fish there are kept so poorly, you will not be shopping there any more for fish, fish supplies, or any other pet supplies you might need unless the situation is resolved and the fish are kept in clean water and treated for any illnesses they might be affected with. (Holy run-on sentence, Batman!)

Make it clear in a non-insulting and level-headed (yet assertive) way that if things don't change, you will be letting your friends and family know to avoid the store. if you approach the owner in a non-confrontational way and act like an adult, you may be able to help him - send him to this website, show him how to diagnose disease in the bettas, explain about temperature requirements and water changes, etc. . . but don't act like a know-it-all. that's really easy for us to do both online here and in the real world, but for people who don't have our fish experience ingrained like we do (after hours of browsing the site and keeping our own fish at home) we can definitely start to seem uppity when really we're just eager.

what's a dunny?
 
Personally, I think if you'd have handled the situation a little more delicately, he'd have been more cooperative.

Example: I went to my local Wal-Mart back during the days of the betta/vase fad (shudders at the mentioning of it) and I saw a similar situation. The bettas were in cups that wouldn't hold more than a metric cup of water... and they were half full of yellowish water that was swirling with half-rotted feces and fungus. Some of the bettas were floating on their sides and a few were dead and had obviously been so for a few days from the level of decay.

I went to the next nearest department, flagged down a worker there (because they don't staff directly in the pet department. Usually the fabric dept next to it took care of the fish), and asked her about how often they changed the water. She told me every other day. I asked if she knew that there were dead and sick fish in the cups and she tried telling me the same story. I simply asked her to come with me and make sure. I held up a cup with a fish on it's side and proceeded to explain dropsy to her. She listened with half an ear until I held up one of the dead fish. Even she agreed it looked like it had been dead for more that a few hours.

I told her I didn't mean to make her job any harder, but that it wasn't fair to the fish to treat them like that and that no customer would want to buy a fish that was surrounded by dead and dying fish. I told her I intended to speak with the management there about all the workers taking better care of the department. She said she wasn't really busy at the moment with the fabric department... I even offered to watch it for her in case anyone went in looking to buy fabric. And so I stood there for about 30 minutes while she changed the water and threw out the dead fish and treated the sick ones the best we could with the available treatments.

She thanked me for my help and then I went and talked to the manager, strongly commended her helping me, and then filed a complaint about the previous treatment of not only the bettas, but all the other fish. It took me a few months of persistent, honey-tongued diligence... but they eventually started medicating their tanks, removing dead fish and changing their betta cups every other day with treated water 3/4 full each time. It wasn't always perfect... there were hitches to the system (they have to specifically tally the dead fish because big corporations have to write off the losses and show they made no profit from the dead fish at the end of the week or something, hence why they usually leave them in the tanks, seeing as how there's no other place to keep them without them reeking. Most people don't know that.)

But we came to some nice compromises by me being nice, even though there were times when I was utterly outraged at them. Sure, not all situations end so nicely and not all of the workers I came across were pleasant or helpful in the least... some could be downright obnoxious. But I knew if I went in there and blew up, I'd build walls instead of making bridges, if you will.

As they say... you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. ^__^;;
 
someone did that to me... the security guard made me leave.. "it doesn't matter what their water is like, they dont breathe water so dont talk about something you dont know."
they were in about 1" of brown water with about 20 brine shrimp in each cup(actual cups! like disposable plastic party cups)
why do some places even bother selling fish?
 
It's cool to insult pet store employees because you have an internet degree in fish keeping, as well as managing a fish store.:rolleyes:
 
No use arguing with pet store employees. They are all morons, who for some reason think they are experts...not a good combination....
 
No use arguing with pet store employees. They are all morons, who for some reason think they are experts...not a good combination....

I think you just insulted at least 10% of the member on this forum who work at petstores.
 
I think you just insulted at least 10% of the member on this forum who work at petstores.

LOL , oh well it's the truth, and there are hundreds of posts on this board about LFS's that prove the point.

There may be some knowledgeable people at certain stores out there, but I sure have been yet to meet any of them...
 
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