lighting theory - very long post!

Allow me to muddle the waters a little.

Lighting in aquaria is based upon research in the greenhouse and open field. Very little has been done in aquaria. The information has been extrapolated from the terrestrial sources and much of it may not apply because of the effect of water on light.

I agree, not much has been done specifically in planted aquariums.
We have done growth studies at various depths and micromols on a few aquatic weeds.

They have entire text on aquatic photosynthesis(I'm looking at a couple right now). It's well studied, but................this is an aquarium, not a terrestrial or natural aquatic system. It's it's own unique system.
Same with each of the 400 or so species commonly kept in aquariums, very few have ever been studied horticulturally and in any real depth, of those, mostly noxious weeds which few aquarist want to keep or are allow too.

However, many folks(myself and quite a few these days) have tested and compared various brands of lighting, asked several questions that make more applied sense to the horticultural question/s. We get the light curves and then compare those to the goals aquarist have.

These are what matters to aquarists.
How does light affect growth through time and space, or on this sized shape of aquarium? What is the best evenness of light spread and what types of light do that? How do I change the intensity easily to control growth rates and algae, and thus=> CO2 demand which influences=> nutrient demand? What light should I buy for my tank?

Some folks want to make a model/calculator to plug a various brand/bulb types and then it would give them a PAR curve for their tank based on the data from a PAR meter, distance plots, in water, ballast type, bulb type, reflector type etc.

Takes measuring a lot of brands etc, but can be done, bit by bit, slowly.
Then new folks can predict the light they need for a given goal.

We know what a micmol range is required for nice slow decent growth for most species already based on nice scapes that have been measured usign a wide range of species(maybe 200 or so thus far)

There are actually only two main wavelengths of light that are needed for plant growth - 430 & 662nm. This is because there are two different types of chlorophyll molecules. Different species of plants produce the chlorophyll molecules in different ratios. The photosynthetic radiation needs for different species are not the same. Some are adapted towards using more in the 430nm while others use more 662nm. Just measuring PAR does not effectively correlate to total photosynthetic activity in all species.

Aquatic plants live in a varied environment, more so than other terrestrial systems typically. This is due to the water and turbidity, tannins etc, depths and water level changes throughout the year/seasons.

They can and do adapt fairly rapidly to changes to the light using Chl a/b ratios, accessory pigments that catch other wave lengths and funnel the energy into the reaction centers for use, most are low light "shade" plants.
Chambers and Lambert's text is good in how plants adapt to various light intensity and quality.

While we can make arguments against using PAR, it is what most use for comparative purposes when growing similar plants and we want to see the effect of light intensity from the same source. Plants adapt and do it well, there's not much difference in aquariums here. Some have suggested using PUR, but again, there's a practical end to this issue, PAR is better than say Watt/gal, and PAR meters are lots cheaper than say a PUR system ........particularluy if it can go underwater.

An oft cited study in this hobby done comparing Cool whites to fancy plant bulbs showed no significance difference. Many aquarist also report the same, however, the aesthetics of cool white are hideous.

"Critical experiments show that maximum growth of most plants under cool white fluorescent lights will be equivalent to or better than that obtained under the blue-red phosphors. Work by V. A. Helson, Canada Department of Agriculture, Ottawa; and J. W. Bartok and R. A. Ashley, University of Connecticut, indicate that there is no advantage to the use of blue-red fluorescent tubes except for aesthetic purposes. Some of the names of these special tubes are Grolux, Plant-Gro, Plant Light, Vita Light and Optima. The higher cost of these fluorescent tubes may be justified on experimental or aesthetic grounds but is hardly warranted on the basis of plant growth."

I read the orignal paper a decade or so ago, basic stuff, but cannot not find the reference since. If there's no difference really between the growth rates(RGR's), then this really does not matter much as long as the PAR is 400-700nm really. Most FL's and MH's fall into that grouping.

Aquarist are not really that interested in every last photon or doing large scale monoculture, they have a wide range of goals. Some only care about color and not anything to do with RGR's.

If you have some spendy equipment, it is possible to measure the photosynthetic activity of the leaves. This is done by testing for total nitrogen content per gram in the leaf tissue. It has been shown that there is a very strong correlation between nitrogen content and photosynthetic activity (given nitrogen is plentiful). This is the only way I know if to quantatively test the effectiveness of the lighting on the plants.

N is not always plentiful(some limit it and forget to dose KNO3 etc and not all plants have the same N demands) and no aquarist I've met will do this for each plant and for each species. A Li COR 6400 will do this as well without destructive sampling but not for submersed plant growth.
RGR's also can do this if you are interested in light per unit of biomass yield.

Aquarist tend to want to know what amount of light do I need to have a certain aesthetic goal.

Ther Apogee PAR meter is a useful meter for this comparative purpose and at 200-300$, and tested side by side to the LiCOR 193 intengrating sensor was only off by less than 5% down to 80cm depth. Not bad.

I just wanted to point this out because biology likes to make and break rules. The correct answer to how much and what type of lighting for a tank is always .. "It depends...."

Horticulture adds an aesthetics factor and is dependent of that person's goal/s.

A good question is what is in the min amoutn of light in Micromols (LCP) and what is the max light where no more growth is produced for a set of aquatic plants??

Here's a good paper that also includes CO2 compensation points as well:
http://www.plantphysiol.org/cgi/reprint/58/6/761

Read that and the conversions for mM of CO2 to ppm is 44
So at 20-30ppm or so(0.5mM to .8mM), we have non limiting CO2 for any light intensity. At least for these 3 very agressive aquatic weeds.

Aquarist typically use 20-30ppm of CO2.

Hydrilla has a LCP of about 12 micromols, not much.
Plants also can take the resources from a higher light region and extend into even more shaded regions in hopes of gaining nutrients and CO2 less than the LCP, Crypts, and anything with rhizomes, tubers, buds, stolons can do this.

Still, a PAR meter is pretty useful and a practical tool to compare light between aquariums, lighting types and brands, space and time changes, for aquarist.

It'd be nice to do all sorts of test, but unless you have the time, and $, some trade offs have to be made.

At 200-300$, a PAR meter shared amongst aquarist clubs works very nicely.
ADA's lights put out much less intensity than I and anyone had thought.
This explained a great deal as far as why they had little issues, when we thought the light was almost 2x as much using the watt/gal rule.

Less light= less CO2 demand= less nutrient demand= easier horticulture, but slower more managed growth rates.

Most aquarist seem to like that goal when they use CO2, but many think more light is better, it's not, it's just more work.

Check out that paper.
If you want more, I can suggest a ton of references.

If you find that one from the Canandians on cool whites, I'd be interested.

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
Very thought provoking post Tom!

So take a look at the paper I cited above also then.
See how CO2 and light are related?

Light is very stable in aquariums in general(more so than anything else for the most part), nutrients would be second but CO2 is really all over the place.

How does CO2 affect light and it's use?

Take a long look at Ole's comments on Tropica's web site.

Click on:
Aquaristic

then click on the Biology of Water plants.

There's a good series of articles on Riccia and the response of light and CO2.

My point is to get folks to focus more on good use of the balance of light with good CO2.

Lower light= less CO2 demand, so it's easier to manage and add CO2 with less risk to fish and for algae. This means less work(less pruning/less dosing issues, more flexibility), and less algae etc.

Too many folks have HLD(High light disease)!

This leads to many new folks having multiple issues that are difficult for them to see and tease apart. add plenty of web misinformation, now you really have a large problem.

They get pissed off, frustrated and leave the hobby.

Cannot blame them.

Plants can survive at even lower levels of light if the system is enriched with CO2 because now they do not need to have lots of Rubsico around to scavenge for any small amount of CO2, they can spend the energy and resources like N trying to get all the light instead.

Low light = less work
As the growth rates are less, so are the algae growth rates(which unlike plants, are never CO2 limited).

This is often counter to the typical advice on line, you do not need CO2 if you have less than say 2w/gal. so most assume that if they want better results, they need more light and add CO2.

Actually, they should just add CO2.
If that rate of growth is not enough, then they can consider adding a pulse of midday light for 2-4 hours, if that's still not enough.........then they can go whole hog adding 3-4w/gal or T5's etc.

That's just more CO2/nutrients, dosing etc, and pruning. It's harder to aquascape with that type of set up over time. If you are motivated, experienced and like to prune, then that's a good thing, but many are not.

Give the article a read, it's been out for a long time, but many have not read it that have gotten into the hobby the last few years.

There are other good articles there.

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
great info tom


and my tanks seem to confirm this as I have 29's with 65/55 watt 6700-10k bulbs no CO2.

slower growth that is manageable. I may add DIY CO2 to see what happens.
algae in these tanks with the exception of GSA is minimal and manageable .
 
great info tom


and my tanks seem to confirm this as I have 29's with 65/55 watt 6700-10k bulbs no CO2.

slower growth that is manageable. I may add DIY CO2 to see what happens.
algae in these tanks with the exception of GSA is minimal and manageable .

Since the tank is small relatively, and there's a little algae, Excel might be a better solution for you. It's about like 1/3 the rate you'd get with CO2 gas.

I'd add about 15mls every other day.

You'd get more from that light.
How you scape and what plants you chose and where you put them also play a huge role in lighting.

Example:

E. tennellus down front, then a nice rock, followed by some Crypts, then some Java fern, and finally in the rear forming an canopy that hangs over and shades the other plants to the rock ....say Ludwigia acruata

The light will be say 200micromol at the L acruata, below it only say 30-50 micrmols and then the tennellus might have say 60-70micrmomols.

Plants shade eachother and form canopies and move as they grow.
The light changes dramatically as a result.

A single stem of L. pantanal will grow from 40 micrmols at the bottom of my tank, and 3 days later be at 100, then 4 days later, 180, 3 days from, 270 and at the surface.............but..........only for the top of the plant, and there is light hitting it from 3 different angles due to different bulb sources in this tank, as well as reflectance from the glass and other plants, wood etc.

Using a Apogee PAR meter works pretty good at integrating the various reflective valves vs a sphere integrating LiCOR probe, so this is fairly reasonable.

I'm interested in how plants adapt and function at the gross level, the stem, the canopy etc through time as they grow. What their CO2 demands are at different points along the stem and various ways to measure that.

Planted tanks are not static, however, many hobbyist assume that they are. A light meter quickly details that is not true in a quantifiable way.

So it leads to more interesting questions

I do find it rather odd how many have long claimed the need for testing NO3, PO4, etc, yet do not measure light, which is where plant growth starts in the first place. Then they do not calibrate their test kits either. Light can be calibrated by using a new light bulb, measure the itnesity at a known distance, then store than light bulb and test the meter against it every so often, do not use the bulb for anything else..... this works pretty well.

CO2 is much worse as far as measurements.
I've gone to partial pressure and use an optical probe, then am still trying to gerry rig a Neptune AC3 pro to accept a mA signal and use a 50ohm resistor to convert the signal to mV and use the redox port.

This way I can monitor CO2 much better to within 1ppm without any pH/KH carbonate or other buffer interference.

Nutrients, CO2 and light are all related and play large roles with respect to the others. You cannot fairly gauge one without providing some reference(eg non limiting) for the others. Aquarist often make this mistake and have extreme trouble trying to isolate their problem. This is mostly due to too much light and poor CO2/assumptions about either/both.

Ironically, nutrients are farther down the scale in importance, but the test kit crowd still rattles on:o

I'd focus on larger fish like light and CO2.
Lots more stuff to play with and far more complicated than many initially assume, few would argue that point!

Still, you have to cut your losses and make some assumptions, an Apogee PAR meter makes a good choice. We have 2 for each club here. I have one of my own and a LiCOR. But I do aquatic weed management professional, so I have a bit reason and passion to address this stuff.

Still, I started out as hobbyist kid.


Regards,
Tom Barr
 
thank you , I'll give excel a shot
 
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