Look @pic and id this algae please!

pzuzu

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Hello,

I've had a planted tank going for about two months now and am being ambushed by this algae. I know the picture isn't a good one, I had to use my phone cam, and it's not very clear. I didn't take out of the tank, so that blurs it a little too. But perhaps someone can still identify it for me and let me know what I could do to get rid of it. I can't put any other type of algae eater in there, I'm currently completely stocked. I do have ottos and a chinese algae eater, some ghost shrimps, and a rubber lip pleco as the algae fighters, but they're not touching the stuff. Is there any kind of chemical I can put in there?

My tank specs are as follows:

46g
96w compact flourescent
DIY CO2
flourite/laterite/gravel
KH 4
GH 7 (someone please explain what this means to me if possible, good/bad?)

I also the recommended dosages
Flourish
Flourish Excel
Flourish Trace
PlantGro Iron Enriched (I have no idea how to dose this as it does not say in the bottle, so I use it every once in a while only)

Thanks all for the help!!!

Fernando

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The picture is a bit blurred for making an ID possible. Can you describe it in more detail. Color, size, does it branch, is it long and wavy, etc.
 
It's almost grayish black in color. It starts off as a little mound and then different branches come out in different directions, and other branches from those branches. And it looks like it can hold its own, sturdy, not wavy in the currents.

Also, I noticed another kind of algae growing on that same leaf, this one doesn't branch however, it's just in little patches of bright green.

I really hope this helps. I really don't understand much about minerals and I have read through other posts and people throw a lot of words around like phosphate and magnesium that go right over my head. I also don't have a test kit that measures anything but ph, kh, gh, amm, nitri, nitra, so I have no way of knowing the ppm for anything else.

I also have a lot of plants that I don't want harmed, and of course my fish and snails.

Thanks!
Fernando
 
It may be staghorn algae. I've had to deal with it before. Infested leaves are best removed. Turn off your filters and rinse out the media with tank water. Remove as much algae as possible and then give the substrate a good vac. Do a 50% water change. I've found Excel to be quite effective against staghorn but I see you're already dosing it.

Now you need to find out why the algae is gaining the advantage and it nearly always comes down to CO2 and/or fert balance issues. For example, I see you are packing traces into your tank but what about NO3, PO4, K ? Also, what is your pH so we can work out your CO2 level?

GH is the general hardness of the water. It's the dissolved concentration of magnesium and calcium ions.

Finally, Flourish Trace is IMO a waste of money.
 
Hey reiverix, thanks for the help.

Some other things I didn't mention before is that I use two 50g filters in my 46g, including an undergravel filter with a powerhead (not air bubbles). One of the filters is an Aquaclear, and the other a marineland BioWheel filter.

Most of the algae is growing on the back of the tank. I keep some java ferns in the back and some in the front, the ones in the back are covered in this black algae. Should I remove all of the java ferns? Or just try to pull off all the algae from the leaves?

Also, this might seem strange, but let me explain my setup. I think I might be in a bit of trouble. What happens is that half of my tank is completely planted, the other half is covered in these big flat rocks that I have stacked to make all sorts of cool tunnels and mazes, and some driftwood as well. This leaves that half of the tank with plenty of swimming room for my little ones. Basically, my point is, is that I really have no way of vacuuming my substrate. When I do water changes, I use a python no spill vacuum, but I have been getting annoyed with it because the sucking tube is so wide and thick, which barely allows me to get in between the plants. The plants have now also developed some amazing roots! So yanking them out is hardly an option (at least not preferred). Luckily, most of the fish waste remains on the leaves and the rocks, so when I vacuum I usually get a lot of stuff out by just running the tube as much as possible through the leaves and shaking them up. I know this doesn't get everything, but it gets a lot out. Also, I have little 5g bubble wands attached at different areas which I have been using only as a cleaning tool. Before I vacuum I turn them all on at full blast, and it makes a lot of the junk surface for the filters to catch and me with the python. I also turn on the powerhead at full blast to suck out whatever might be in the undergravel filter, which is usually snails. :)

Anyhow, I will try using this little gravel vacuum I used to use for my ten gallon tank once upon a time. I so wish they made connectors for the python that allows for thinner tubes of some kind. That would be nice. I'll also do a 50% water change and try to clear out as much of the algae as possible.

Honestly, I have not been using Excel to its recommended dosage. I only had the Flourish and Trace twice a week as it is recommended on the bottles, and that's usually when I add the excel. I think the bottle says I'm supposed to add it everyday or every other day, but I figured since I've got DIY CO2, I didn't need as much of it. Am I wrong in this assumption? Should I start using it as recommended?

Should I discontinue Trace? And do you know anything about PlantGro Iron Enriched, or how much of that stuff I should be putting the in the tank and how often? The instructions state 1 capful/10g, but they don't state how often!!! Do I even need this stuff?

I don't know what NO3, PO4, and K is. I just ran tests on my water, and the PH is at 7.2.

Also I have been using TWO DIY CO2 2L bottles at the same time.

If my GH is at 7, does that mean I have plenty of calcium in my water? I have been throwing in egg shells for the snails. Don't really know why... just heard it's good for them so I figured why not. I don't do it very often, usually once every two or three weeks, and not even a full shell then.

Also, I have been using Florida Crushed Coral (which also has aragonite in it, according to the bag). I have soft tap water with a KH of 2. With the DIY CO2 my PH was at 6.4. Now my KH is at 4 and PH has been staying within 7-7.2.

Also, as I said, I'm noticing another kind of algae. Little green circles on the leaves, and I'm starting to see a few little green dots on the back glass of the tank. Also, on a piece of driftwood.

I'm obviously doing something terribly wrong to have all this algae. How bad does algae hurt my plants anyway? Oh, and I just noticed several leaves on my dwarf sagittaria completely covered in black algae, I think it's a baby form of the other one above, cuz I see a little branch stemming from one of them.

Grrrr...

Anyway, thank you so much for the help (I know you've helped me out before in the past). If it's too time consuming to help any further, it's understandable. I don't mind a link perhaps to some good reading.

Thanks again!
Fernando
 
I don't know what NO3, PO4, and K is.

NO3 is nitrate, PO4 is phosphate, and K is potassium. They are compounds/elements that plants need to live, and sometimes need to be added regularly.

pzuzu, I don't know if this is just my tank, but I have always found that algae does better with more current. I only run my filter 1-2 hours a day now and my algae is almost gone (some I have been combating for a year). You may want to consider cutting back on filtration. Like I said, though, this could just be my tank.
 
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