morons buying fish

I went to two local stores to look for oto's and dwarf gourami's. Neither had oto's, one had a single male DG in a tank all alone. So, I went to Petco cause I knew they had both and bought 5 oto's and a few odds and ends. As I was talking to the clerk about Oscars he actually said (I can't believe it) "they only grow as big as the tank". :duh:


Gee, does that mean I get half a dozen for my 20 high? :thud:
 
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Roan Art said:
Actually, from what I understand, fish don't stop growing at all. If the conditions are correct, they will reach their "max" genetic size, but still continue to grow. Slowly, but they continue to grow until they die.

I think that's just neat.

Roan

Ooo, really? That is neat! :D
 
My father in law told me to keep my red belly pacu cuz they only grow as big as the tank, and basicly his whole family agreed... (btw, the fish store told me the pacu was fine in a 30 gallon, come home to read the truth, thats why I had him)

oh well, what are you gunna do... There is morons in any hobbie, sport, job, anything...
 
Every person calling someone else a 'moron' for throwing a bunch of fish in a new tank should lighten up and ask themselves whether they themselves might have been a 'moron' once or twice in some context other than fishkeeping, and have people on some internet board somewhere sneering at their ineptitude. I bet some of you are crappy drivers, feed your kids junk, shrink the laundry and declaw your cats. Puppy mills are in business because people can't stop themselves from buying dogs at strip-mall pet stores.

They're FISH. Not ponies. You probably eat 'em sometimes after they've been stuck in gill nets for a while and then left to flop around on the deck of a boat or just chucked live onto ice. It's a sport to reel them in with metal hooks stuck in their mouths. Feeder fish and shrimp get munched by the 'real' fish.

"Fishless cycling" is something that only comes up on the internet because pet stores won't make money selling ammonia and telling people who just bought a new setup that the right thing to do is sit there for weeks staring at an empty tank. In my area the employees are usually high-school kids taught to put fish in bags for minimum wage, not aquarium buffs like you and me who aren't working in the LFS because then we couldn't afford all our d*mn aquariums.

If I see someone going astray in the LFS I might strike up a conversation and suggest something, but I'm not going to do a lecture on the nitrogen cycle because for the most part they don't give a crap. If they gave a crap they would have looked it up on the internet already. A good ploy if people seem undecided about fish is to shove them towards the platy section; they're colourful, have babies, kids like them and they're hard to kill. If they're interested in more than that you can usually tell.

As long as stores sell kissing gouramis people will buy them for 5 and 10 gallon tanks. And a little tiny pleco! It's a sad fact of life that fish are considered disposable pets by many, entertaining, fairly cheap, and prone to mysterious death. Some people will persist. Some will lose interest. Some people like to research a hobby when they take it up. Some don't. If it's your hobby you tend to take it seriously and be hyper-conscious of people who don't. You really have to keep things in perspective.

Every aquarium fish you buy supports the trade, and for every fish who lives in spendor in your tank, hundreds of fish will die by culling, transport, disease, wild-caught "collateral damage" or LFS boo-boos before those 'morons' even have a chance to give them death by ammonia. You like fish? Stop keeping fish, and become an activist to ban the whole aquarium trade, and you'll save more fish than you ever will putting them in your tanks and 'educating' people in pet stores. Nobody should kid themselves about that.

End of rant. Have at me if you want. :cool:
 
Rebecca2

So we should just ignore it and move on. Sorry no thanks.

What gives you the right to rant about how we think, gives me the right to rant about morans in the hobby. You can exept peoples stupidy but i can not. I want to call people stupid when they buy dogs that they can not take care of it. I want to hate stupid people at the LFS.

Your right they are not ponies but i hate horses. I like fish. They keep me entertained. They mean more to me then a horse. I also i can not fit a horse into my house.(feeding it would cost to much)

I have done some moranic **** and people have told me that. If people lived by your policy, people would be do stupid crap and we should just be ignoring it. The world be one ****ed up place.

Ignoring stupidty is condoning it.
 
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I think that rant was ignited by the elitist attitude of looking down the nose at folks who aren't as "enlightened" as some of us about keeping fish. That sort of thing burns me just a bit myself because I was one of those "ignorant morons" when I first attempted to keep fish. I didn't know any better myself...I just figured there was something wrong with my water and it wasn't good for fish.

When I bought a 10 gallon setup that included everything you needed to get started......INCLUDING information about cycling and water conditioners....I became "enlightened" and the success we had with that tank started me off on my journey in this incredibly interesting (wallet snatching) hobby !

SO perhaps the best thing to do for folks working in the industry is to steer newbies toward the "setups"...the boxes that include tank, filter, heater, etc...AND instructions.
 
Quite a few people I know that keep fish started off as "ignorant morons" … me included. Luckily someone pointed me to this site. From there I went from spending more than 28 cents on a common gold fish (not wanting to spend more money because they either die, or I would get sick of them) to having a $30 pleco.

Do I yell at friends who buy two bettas stick them in a bowl and watch them fight to the death? You bet I do. And I am sure stronger words than moron came out of my mouth by the time I was done. But hey, they were friends; they understood my passion for the subject. Now, the average person I meet I would never do anything like that. I have thought about creating business like cards with this site printed on them to give to willing people… such as the couple buying 5 oscars for their 55 gal…

Btw emg, I love your avatar!
 
Lol...pretty cute, huh ! :D


There's a big big difference between someone who may mistreats a fish out of ignorance and one who purposely abuses them for some wierd cheap thrill. I'd definitely have something to say about that....but you know...even in that situation...just a few softly spoken truthful words about the situation can sometimes work wonders in a heart.............but if it doesn't....THEN you cream em ! ;)
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Anyone else care to chime in? It was going pretty well until it started getting personal. One more swipe at someone else, and this goes from 'airing your own dirty laundry' to attacking other members. The former, while annoying in how frequently the same arguments are put forth, is tolerated. The latter is a big no-no around here.
 
whatcha gonna do???

I gave up a loooong time ago trying to help anyone at an LFS...You just end up looking like a nosey know it all...The best approach I have found is to let everyone and your brother know that you keep fish and if they know of anyone with problems, to contact you...I have met/helped many people this way and most have become pretty good fishkeepers...

The situation at LFS these days reminds me of the Little Bull and the Big Bull story...They try to hit them all at once, sell them a bunch of stock (that iwll probably die) and then the tank gets emptied and stored in the garage...If a more common sense approach is taken, you can make a customer for life-a customer that will probably upgrade and possibly end up with multiple tanks...Not to mention the great free advertising the store will get for their customer service...Customer service can make or break a store...
 
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