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slipknottin said:
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None of these people got aid? ....
You are missing the point. They got "aid" too late... As some might say, "better late than never".. but that's ridiculous. America should be much better at "taking care of her own".. This was an 'exercise in incompetence' at best. The head of FEMA should be fired -- he had a chance and failed.

I need to repeat what I said: -Where were the military helicopters, on Tuesday? Not Friday when our Pres made a "show"...
 
125gJoe said:
You are missing the point. They got "aid" too late... As some might say, "better late than never".. but that's ridiculous. America should be much better at "taking care of her own".. This was an 'exercise in incompetence' at best. The head of FEMA should be fired -- he had a chance and failed.

I need to repeat what I said: -Where were the military helicopters, on Tuesday? Not Friday when our Pres made a "show"...

A friend of mine saw convoys of utility trucks heading toward New Orleans on Saturday. 2 days before the hurricane hit. Home Depot had 500 employees stationed in hotels outside the area - before the hurricane, waiting to relieve the local employees so that they could tend to their families and such. Home Depot wanted to be OPEN as soon as the storm blew over so that they could make a buck. There's nothing wrong with that, Home Depot and the utility linesmen are providing a service. But they were there because they had incentive. The Feds were NOT there, so we must assume that there was no incentive for them to be there.

I am CERTAIN that it must have occured to somebody in charge that supplies should have been ready to drop, ship, or truck in. Somebody somewhere made the decision to not do this.
 
No, but they better not be blaming the federal goverment when their home is destroyed by a tornado or earthquake. Its not the federal goverments job to run around and defend everyones homes from mother nature. You should be doing that on your own, as it is in your best interest.

This is an insensitive and ignorant statement. I live in the north. If a major blizzard or ice storm hits, I would certainly expect agencies of the federal gov't to help. There are agencies such as FEMA whose JOB IT IS TO HELP! That's what their jobs are! No one is asking FEMA to help as some sort of favor -- they're supposed to help! Taxpayers $$ pays them for such emergencies (that's what the big E stands for).

You cannot blame people for living in a city where they were raised -- this is just human nature. Whether it's drought, forest fires, earthquakes, hurricanes, or blizzards, EVERYWHERE is susceptible to some sort of natural disaster, so are we ALL idiots for living where we do?

To be honest, I do find it maddening that wealthy people keep rebuilding seaside homes in Florida after every hurricane, and much of the costs comes from taxpayers' pockets. Stop building a house at ground zero! However, in the case of NO, we're talking about hundreds of thousands of people living below the poverty line, whose limited resources make it difficult for them to just pick up and leave because their city (that someone else built and designed, not them) is below sea level.

You're damned right it's the federal government's responsibility to help in times of extreme human suffering. The gov't is made up of people, and people should help people. Period. Those angry people on TV? I don't blame them one bit. Granted, some could have left and were stupid. However, many could not leave -- had no money, no car, no where to go, could not plan on a week's stay at a hotel upstate at even $50/night.

Hindsight is 20/20, but what should have happened (especially with all that the local and fed. gov'ts knew) with a category 4/5 hurricane bearing down on the region, was a block-by-block bus evacuation of whoever wanted to leave. Bring a bag, some food, and get on the bus. Some would have stayed anyway, and the cost would have been great, but thousands could have been saved--especially children, elderly, and the infirmed.

And don't tell me it would be unfeasible. You see a monster storm rolling toward an extremely endangered area, you act. THAT is the government's responsibility -- that is all our responsibilities -- to take care of one another.

That was not done, and it is a shame. An unforgivable shame.

Whew...

All that being said, I am truly in awe of the outpouring of good will from the American people in the storm's aftermath. I am not surprised by it in the least.

What is sad, however, is that nor am I surprised by the govt's incompetance in planning and protecting. The effort of every copter pilot and rescue person is incredible. But the fact that the US gov't is cold to the offers of help from other nations is inexcusible. Yes, we have enough resources ourselves, but simply for the sake of good will, damnit, allow others to help. No wonder so many others see the US as pompous and crude.

I could go on and on. Thanks so much for this forum and many others that we have the opportunity to express our opinions.

If you have not so yet, please give in any way you can. The minimum donation for the Red Cross is $5. Less than a movie ticket. Less than a pizza. Please give, and encourage others to do so as well.
 
I would go over and help people in NO but it is almost impossible. MY opinion is that the government is doing a good job with helping. I think that the mayor and staff of NO is to blame. They knew that the levies(sp.?) were not strong enough for more than a category 3 hurricane. Most people think that is Pres. Bush's fault for this but it's not! I heard a tape from 10 years ago saying that the levies were not strong enough! Was that when Pres. Bush was in office..i didn't think so. Also the mayor should have ordered the people to get out of NO(I know a lot of people wouldn't listen but that is their own dumb choice) as quickly as possible. That's just my opinion so peace out.
 
zacdl said:
"They got "aid" too late... "

Go back and read my first post on this thread.
Oh yes, I did go back. I thought "how incredible this is.."

zacdl said:
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Most of the problem can be blamed on the New Orleans government.
And that New Orleans mayor who I dislike very much (Did anyone hear his radio broadcast? They bleeped out every third word he was cussing so much..... The main problem there lies there. With the city government, and the people themselves. The city government because of the previous reasons, and the people for not pulling together.
Blame can be placed in many ways.. I also cussed - on Monday, on Tuesday, wondering where the helicopters are, I cussed on Wednesday, wondering when "action", not videos would be taken! I cussed Thursday and hoped for the suffering, when they would get help from our leaders - from FEMA, from the government.

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As we sit at our homes..
I would like to ask if we could go through the disaster they went through..

Can you live for 4 days without:
Water
Food
Electric
Air Conditioning
No Meds..
Basic Hygiene (toilet paper, etc..)
Showering, etc..
No shelter


Well, just think about food and water; the very basics on surviving..

Give it a thought ....
 
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Blah blah blah.........this ones' fault..that one's fault.....what difference does it make. There are folks down there who need help......and using such a disaster to heap blame on whatever political party you despise for whatever reasons helps no one........

There are a lot of bad people that hung around to take advantage of the looting opportunities that would be available after the storm......I have no sympathy for them...

There are also alot of folks who stayed because of the "boy who cried wolf" syndrome.....been warned so many times, they chose to ignore the wrong warning...

Then there are those who stayed behind because they had loved ones who couldn't leave for one reason or another and they wanted to stay with them...

Or, those who couldn't bare to leave their pets behind......

Those who didn't have a car, a place to go...or the funds to pay for a motel somewhere........

Whatever the reasons were for individuals who chose to stayed and ride out the storm.....doesn't matter....(except for the looters...they need to be hunted down and put in jail..plenty of videos with faces).....they're there and need to get out and it's the immediate governmental agencies who are responsible to have a plan to deal with these types of emergencies....especially in an area like New Orleans for crying out loud....there has certainly been lots of time for that type of planning to have been put together. It wasn't.......does that matter at the moment to those folks who are stuck there ?........nope...they just want to get out.......(except for the looters....they'll stay till there's nothing left to steal...or just to look for a cop to shoot at or another woman or child to rape.....)

So.....all this blaming and ranting is an excercise in futility and rather pointless....except that it does provide another opportunity to point fingers and rant against your favorite political party to hate...........but it doesn't help anyone.

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I think that the mayor and staff of NO is to blame. They knew that the levies(sp.?) were not strong enough for more than a category 3 hurricane. Most people think that is Pres. Bush's fault for this but it's not! I heard a tape from 10 years ago saying that the levies were not strong enough!

I agree -- it's local and federal governments' responsibilities.

However, I've also heard (take it for what it is) that Bush and Co. actually cut federal funding that would have strengthened the levies. And of course he knew of the potential dangers (whether he remembered or not is another question). Everyone knew, and those with the power to help, who did not get in done, are to blame.

So.....all this blaming and ranting is an excercise in futility and rather pointless....except that it does provide another opportunity to point fingers and rant against your favorite political party to hate...........but it doesn't help anyone.

I disagree. I believe we can rescue and care for the needy and lay blame at the same time. And if harsh criticism saves lives the next time something similar happens, then harsh criticism is needed. I don't care about the feelings of politicians, etc....as you said, the important thing for now and always is the safety and well-being of all human life. And if criticism saves lives, then so be it.
 
Why blame the mayor of N.O. for the state of repair of the levee? There was a FEMA study in July of 2004 that projected Lake Poncutrains levee's failing in a force 3 or 4 hurricaine..and this was a force 5. In addition the levees from the Mississipi failed...I think I heard that.
The funds for the levee repair would have been federal. The money was diverted elsewhere....guess where? Clue: lots of sand there.
So in that sense, Bush does share the responsibility.

I've been listening to the talking heads on PBS this am...all are in agreement that the federal relief effort was lacking. Don't know if anyone caught MAD TV last night, but their skit on the FEMA director's job being outsourced to India was a riot!!
 
I agree that Pres. Bush could have helped repair it sooner but the state of Louisiana should have been trying to actually get it fixed! When Clinton was Pres. he knew that the levees wouldn't hold too much longer..did he do anything..NO...then why balme Pres. Bush..he can't do everything like people think he can. yes the war is taking a lot of money but so did all the other wars that America has fought. All have been for a good reason. So many other things in America need fixing too but Pres. Bush can't get to them ALL! When does he have the time? Also this is my thought not meant to offend anyone.
 
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