New 10G tank planted and running

Added a C02 system today - a Nutrafin Natural Plant System. Installed it tonight, 11th March. Will take weekly photos to show any effect.

I'll be interested to read of your results with this. I haven't yet decided if I want to do a CO2 "system," liquid dose, or try to do without. Decisions, decisions. :read:

Also, did you find the Natural Plant System took up a lot of tank space?
 
Today added...more plants (two bunches of Moneywort) and removed final plastic plant from the tank. Added 2 small bronze corys, 2 bloodfins and 2 rio tetras.

C02 system working steadily now. Feeding on frozen bloodworm, NutraFin flake and one or two small pellets of shrimp per day. Food being rapidly eaten and all gone within 5-10 minutes. Fish seem good so far. Bloodfins seem to have a taste for plants, so will start adding lettuce tomorrow. Here's photos of tanks today, first full day with C02.

Total fish: 6 zebra danios, 2 pepper corys, 2 bronze corys, 2 bloodfin and 2 rio tetras. If overcrowding...will transfer some to my tanks at work (no fish as yet). We have decided that this will be the upper limit for this tank. Will continue to plant low growing plants in foreground as money permits. Will make no attempt to save any eggs (no livebearers in here, fortunately). All levels safe as of today. Next scheduled water change is a week on Saturday, unless problems arise by then.

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Also, did you find the Natural Plant System took up a lot of tank space?
Not at all...was pleasantly surprised. It's a panel about 3/8-1/2 inch thick including suction feet, maybe 3 inches wide and is no more obtrusive than the heater. I have placed it at the rear of the tank screened behind a hornwort plant and because it is clear plastic, it is barely visible.
 
Total fish: 6 zebra danios, 2 pepper corys, 2 bronze corys, 2 bloodfin and 2 rio tetras. If overcrowding...will transfer some to my tanks at work (no fish as yet). We have decided that this will be the upper limit for this tank. Will continue to plant low growing plants in foreground as money permits. Will make no attempt to save any eggs (no livebearers in here, fortunately). All levels safe as of today. Next scheduled water change is a week on Saturday, unless problems arise by then.

thats a lot of fish for 1 ten gallon tank :eek: its very pretty but over stocked in my opinion.
 
thats a lot of fish for 1 ten gallon tank :eek: its very pretty but over stocked in my opinion.

Hi grannylvsfish - I agree that it sounds overstocked - however, it is intentionally stocked to this level; I am trying to get a biobalance between plants and fish, without adding plant food. I am careful not to overfeed and I am making decent size water changes.

It may still turn out that you are right, but that will be evidenced by warning levels of ammonia and nitrates, which at present are still zero. I also have two additional 'aged' tanks, a 5g and a 10g to transfer fish if need be. Those are also planted tanks.

I stated at the outset that this is a learning curve, albeit this is a return to the hobby for me. It is an experiment that I hope will not cost fish lives. I have selected pretty small egglaying fish, although I will probably end up moving two of the corys within the next week or two anyway.

Thanks for your input...watch this space!:)
 
looking great....

over stocking to use them so you dont have to use ferts isnt a very good option.

When I was last involved with fish-keeping, we often had higher densities of fish than are currently suggested. My reference book, Aquarium Fishes, was written in the 1930's and suggests the number of fish I have for a FIVE GALLON tank!!! I decided to try this stocking pattern in a larger tank. The book suggests that planting is key to optimizing the numbers of fish. Frequent inspection is key here, watching the growth of plants and the behavior of fish, as well as ammonia/nitrate levels. The reason I will move 2 corys is because, for me, it LOOKS overcrowded! This is very much an experimental tank; If the fish suffer no distress and experience adequate growth, the plants grow normally and strongly, then I can safely stock up to this level. In the long run, my aim is to have a tank with minimal or no filtration, dense planting and a moderate bioload, using perhaps a 55 gallon setup. because of the speed of chemical response in a smaller volume of water, the 10 gallon is ideal experimentally (I should add that I am a PhD researcher in a Department of Biological Engineering, with a background in medicine and health science, so this is not really alien ground to me).

I love fish and will never allow them to suffer unnecessarily. However, my feeling is that fishkeeping is about balance. We learn parameters by pushing the boundaries to the point at which problems arise, then draw back and operate within those boundaries. Transfer tanks are essential to this type of experiment. As a young fishkeeper, I had never done more than eliminate chlorine from tap water and bring it to the right temperature before adding fish. My father was a successful scalare breeder in the 1960's and 70's; I learned from him that water movement and planting were key to his success, not intense filtration.

I really do agree that by modern standards, this tank seems overstocked; I am interested in why an aquarist from the 1930's can suggest a much denser population, when keepers now are filling 10g tanks with barely any plants, plus 3 or 4 fish and a few shrimps and snails.

I will post honestly about the successes and failures of this experiment and I have no strong feelings either way about the final number of fish that will thrive in a 10g planted tank - I just want to know for myself - not based on current 'beliefs' - what the number/size might be.
 
I admire your approach and have similar thoughts about today's "conventional wisdom" about stocking limits. I think the eco systems are varied and that a 1 size fits all mentality about stocking is short sighted. As long as you are diligent in your monitoring I think an approach leveraging plants can allow for more varied levels of stocking than what is seen as acceptable in this forum. Outside of this forum there are lots a varied opinions on what acceptable stocking levels should be. I certainly recognize the dangers of overstocking but I am not convinced that it is so easy to pronounce a tank overstocked without understanding all of the different variabes that go into the determination.
 
well if you search for balance and my user name you will see i commonly talk about it being a balance i agree with you there.....

well i not even going to go about things they thought in the 30's which now proven to be wrong..... just cuz it was thought to be ok in the past doesnt mean it holds true today....

with a heavily planted tank thats going to take care of a lot of your bio filtration but you still want polishing. keep things out of water. i wouldnt even have a planted only tank with no filtration. i have at least a power head with a sponge prefilter.

a lot of stocking here also is about new owners. people new to fish who havent figured everything out not always keeping up with water changes.

there is also more going on then just ammonia nitrite and nitrate. there are also things people help to get around this like a 24/7 drip system.
 
well if you search for balance and my user name you will see i commonly talk about it being a balance i agree with you there.....

well i not even going to go about things they thought in the 30's which now proven to be wrong..... just cuz it was thought to be ok in the past doesnt mean it holds true today....

with a heavily planted tank thats going to take care of a lot of your bio filtration but you still want polishing. keep things out of water. i wouldnt even have a planted only tank with no filtration. i have at least a power head with a sponge prefilter.

a lot of stocking here also is about new owners. people new to fish who havent figured everything out not always keeping up with water changes.

there is also more going on then just ammonia nitrite and nitrate. there are also things people help to get around this like a 24/7 drip system.

MG - I enjoy your posts, agree that you are an advocate of balance and also I have the impression that you are helpful and knowledgeable - and without being patronizing, I know that you have much more experience than me regarding tropical fishkeeping, so I do take your posts seriously. After all, I am here to learn from others' experience, as well as from my own endeavors, of course - hence posting on a 'newbie' forum, (since that is undoubtedly what I am).

You mention a '24/7 drip system'...I am not familiar with that; what is it? Is there a link to a thread or web page that illustrates the system?
 
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