Newbie...Ammonia,Bacteria,etc.

jamie1972

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Hello. I grew up with a ten gallon aquarium, and have had one off and on in adulthood. That said....we never knew of testing for ammonia,etc, or had a massive fish die-off for that matter. Now, new hubby has set up his 29g about 3 weeks ago. His sister had been using it while he lived out of town. She gave us the fish she had in it....a couple of albino catfish, small algae eater, two neons, and a tiger barb. Of course we know to use a water preparation method. We used Start Right. The tank was a little cloudy for about a week but has cleared up nicely now. The fish all seem fine. I decided on a whim to test for ammonia yesterday...WOW. It is almost .5ppm! Hubby said not to panick, just put in a new filter cartridge with new carbon. He said the bacteria have not had time to grow in the tank, but to pick up some ammo lock or something similar. I got some ACE eliminator today and plan to use it when I get home. That said....do we still need to do a 50% water change? Also, every time we change the filter, aren't we removing the bacterial colony that has grown on it? The lady at the pet store suggested that I cut up some filter media and put it in the over-the-side filter next to the cartridge or in some panty hose with a few rocks to weight it down in the aquarium so that bacteria can live on it, then never wash or throw it away....only change the filter once a month or so, and use the Python vaccuum to clean the gravel (no under gravel filter) once a month. My BIG question is do I need to introduce bacteria from some supplement bought at the pet store, or will they show up on their own? I'm sorry if I sound stupid but I just don't want to harm the fish, and we really enjoy the aquarium. I hope to hear something soon!
 
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The bacteria will show up on its own. At 5 ppm you def need to do a water change (on a new cycling tank 50% change is usually done if over .50 ppm.) It might take a while to cycle a new tank with nothing to support it. You might be finding yourself doing water changes daily. Leave the filter cart in until you have it cycled, if it gets dirty just rinse it off in some tank water and put it back in. After the tank is cycled you will be vacuuming/water changing once a week not once a month. I hope.

Bacteria will show up to eat the Ammonia, the bi product of that is Nitrates which is also harmful to fish and you may want to get a test for that. After Nitrates is established bacteria ell show up to eat those! The last byproduct is the Nitrites (get a test).

A normal cycled tank should be:
Ammonia 0 pam
Nitrates 0 ppm
Nitrites 10-40 ppm (is average)

I am sure someone will post a link to a good article.
 
Thanks for the advice. Already threw away the filter cartridge yesterday. What about the idea of putting material next to filter cartridge for bacteria to live on? And from now on, I'll only change out the carbon inside the cartridge....and wash cart. in tank water.
 
Do you have an under gravel filter as well? If so no need b/c ther gravel will hold most of the bacteria. But yeah that would be a plan, put some media or floss or sponge in for the bacteria to live on, then you wont have a minor spike when you change carts... I use a bio wheel filter so I dont have to worry about that. If you have the funds you might want to look into those.
 
No need to change or even use the charcoal (or so says the wisdom here on this board-term used lightly! :dance2: )

It only lasts 2-3 weeks, only needed to remove meds and the ilk.

I just leave the charcoal in my filter carts; gives the bacteria another place to live. Rinse them in tank water every so often to get the gunk off and re-install.

Easy-Peasy!
 
Do not use all the chemicals that promise to make ammonia go away or to minimizee/eliminate the need to do water changes. A good dechlor that removes chlorine and chloramine is what you need. The only jump start that works is Bio-Spira. Also...

“Cycling A Tank”

What we mean by this term, is the process of establishing an environment that will beneficially support fish life, with minimal stress to the fish and to you. The terms used here are relevant to the “nitrogen” cycle and how it relates to the aquarium.

The first item for discussion is Ammonia (NH3). All decaying matter, like uneaten food and from fish wastes, produces this. Any detectable amount is trouble for your fish, and levels of .25 ppm and above can damage fish permanently, based on length of exposure. This damage occurs to the gills, and causes breathing problems. It will damage the gills whether the fish live or die.

Secondly, the bacteria that break down ammonia produce Nitrite (NO2). This nitrite blocks the ability of blood to absorb oxygen. Even if the fish can breathe, they are not able to utilize the oxygen they take in, as easily. They can act as if panic-stricken and/or have little control over their movements. Even with short-term exposure at high levels, stress occurs and they may not be able to ward off other immune system attacks.

And finally, second bacteria forms that consume nitrite and forms Nitrate (NO3). While short-term exposure to low levels of Nitrate are not a concern, they can be if too high over a long term. Nitrates are removed with consistent regular water changes or by aquatic plant life.

A cycle is never really complete. It is established and an ongoing evolution. Keeping this “cycle” balanced and continuous is the goal of properly maintaining a tank for a healthy environment for your fish. Strive for Zero Ammonia, Zero Nitrite, and approximately 20 ppm Nitrate or less.

Ways To Cycle Your Tank

I have broken them down into three currently widely accepted methods.

(1) Using Established Bio-Logical Filter Media

This is probably the most preferred and least stressful method that will allow you to stock your fish quickly and depending on the extreme you use, to full tank load.

If you have established tanks already, without any issues, you can put filter media in them before the new set up is ready. The biological bacteria can establish themselves on it and it can be transferred to the new tank and fish added. This can be as simple as sponges on filter intakes, filter cartridges in HOB/HOT, or media in canisters. It can include substrate or décor from other tanks, such as rocks and plants.

Please ensure the tank you are drawing from, has Zero Ammonia, Zero Nitrites and less than 20-30 ppm Nitrates. It should also be a tank free of disease. Do not take media or filter squeezing from tanks you are not sure of or from a local LFS. You could be establishing your new tank with all kinds of problems. Since most bacteria will not be free floating in the water column, taking just the water will not accomplish much.

The bacteria that maintain the cycle need to be fed in order to maintain. Waiting a few days can be disastrous. If moving a tank, keep the media wet in the old tank water, aerated and for the short term only.

This method provides minimal stress to the fish, minimal work on your part, quick stocking, at or near full capacity. But you must plan ahead. It could take several weeks to establish a bacterial colony of sufficient size, on the media you move to the new tank.


(2) Fishless Cycling

Just as it sounds, you can establish the cycling environment without any fish. This method does not pose any threat to fish, establishes a large bacteria colony allowing full stocking upon completion and gives you time to decide on what fish you want.

When establishing a tank with this method, you will use a source of ammonia to initiate the nitrogen cycle. After your tank is set up, add water and treat for chlorine/chloramines. Your filtering systems and heaters should be in place and operating to your satisfaction.

Add ammonia to bring the tank to a concentration of 5 ppm. The amount you add will vary with the size tank you have. Do not be in a rush. Add small amounts and test, repeating as necessary. If you get it too high, you can drain and refill.

Now the hurry up and wait part happens. Every two days, test your ammonia level in the tank. When the ammonia levels start dropping, add additional ammonia as required to keep the ammonia at 3-4 ppm, start daily testing and test for ammonia and nitrites. Nitrites should be developing as ammonia goes away. This first stage could take 1-3 weeks.

When you see the test results showing Nitrites, start maintaining your ammonia at the 2-3 ppm range. The nitrites increasing reflect you are in to the second stage. Continue daily testing for ammonia and maintain the tank in the 3 ppm range. You will see nitrites climb so high they will be off the scale for a reading. This will continue for one to two weeks and it will seem the nitrites are never going to go away.

There will be a day where you test and the nitrites have completely disappeared, thus, the bacteria that convert them to nitrates have established themselves. When you see this drop to zero on nitrites, dose ammonia in the tank to about 5 ppm, and wait 24 hours. If at the end of that period, ammonia and nitrites are zero, your cycle has been established. Test for nitrates, and do a 75-90% water change. Pull your water down to 20 ppm nitrates and add the fish! If you have to wait to get your fish, keep the cycle established by dosing more ammonia, but you may have to do another water change before adding your fish.

(3) Fishy Cycling

This method is probably what many fall into from all the myths that run rampant out there. It is also the method that can cause severe stress or death to the fish. There are some simple techniques that make this type of cycle go easier, but take some pre-planning on your part.

The basics of this method are to set up your tank, fill, treat with a water conditioner, add some hardy fish that can handle stressful conditions, test/monitor the ammonia and nitrite levels, and do water changes as necessary.

When your cycle is established, you have a bacteria load that can handle the fish that are in there presently. More fish can be added in small numbers over a period of time, allowing for a mini-cycle to grow the bacteria levels to the new bio-load. You need to pay constant attention to your tank, testing daily, doing water changes when required, not when you can get around to it. Do not assume that you can add more fish just because reading are undetectable or low. Give the environment time to respond.

You will be captive to testing at least twice daily, doing water changes whenever ammonia or nitrites hit .25 ppm. Do not be surprised that even with a cautious approach, you lose some fish.
 
Thanks all! I did find last night that our filter does have a handy place to put media for the bacteria to live on. Did a partial water change, and ammonia level is barely detectable now. I will put all of the good advice into practive immediately. It's funny, son's 10 gallon tank that was set up at the same time has zero ammonia and zero nitrite, with a huge goldfish and one albino catfish. I guess the little bacterial boogers are already at work. How amazing! I will check back in about a week.
 
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