Newbie to plants, need some advice

Andy16

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Ok, ive read some stuff on plants and all that already, but everything is just too complicated for me to understand. Like i dont knwo what co2 does or why you need or how to make a reactor. I also dont know about the lighting or anything like that. Then theres the fertilizers, where once again im totally lost in. I hav eno idea how much light, what kind of fertilizers to use and what they do, and what substrate to use. SO currently I have a one bulb hood that is the flourescent kind. I dont know if that would be enough for a 20 gallon tank. I also dont know if i need a current or if it has to be still water. I have a penguin 170 and a AC mini. I am planning on getting a fluval or a eheim. I have tahitain moon sand.
 
The plant stuff is complicated. If you want to put in the effort it can be a great thing, but it means more time and money sent into the tank and there is a fairly steep learning curve. Extra lights and ferts can create algae problems if your not careful. Its not hard to create problems and get frustrated.

If you are interested though, the site that Annonapersona linked to is a great place to start. Take a look at the Tech Briefs on Plant Basics and CO2, then wander about… good info all over the place.

One regular flourescent over a 20g is probably somewhere in the vicinity of 1 watt per gallon (wpg), which is generally considered to be low light. If you add light and don't get enough carbon and ferts in there, you will get algae (get too much ferts and not enough light, also algae). There are a number of low light plants and you could look into starting out low-light while you're learning and add on later. Low light tanks are a little easier to keep in line. More light will mean faster growth and more options.

Plants are made of stuff. Having a small plant turn into a couple of bigger plants means that that stuff had to be in the water at some point to get absorbed by the plants and organized into more plant. So what is this stuff? Mostly carbon, nitrogen, phosphorous, potassium (the macros), and smaller amounts of a bunch of other stuff (the micros). I use the usual set of DIY macro ferts… Spectracide Stump Remover for Nitrogen, NuSalt for Potassium, Fleet for Phosphates. Flourish and Flourish Iron take care of my traces. Tom Barr has a good article on estimating doses. Chuck Gadd has a dosage calculator if you want to try and maintain specific levels.

The plants use a lot of carbon during photosynthesis. Terrestrial or semi-aquatic plants can hoover CO2 out of the air. Fully submerged plants have a harder time getting carbon, especially under the types of conditions we like to keep in our tanks. Seachem makes a carbon supplement called Excel. This would be especially good for a low light tank. A lot of people like DIY CO2. Annonapersona, for instance, has done a lot of research into it and knows quite a bit about how to get it spinning like a top. Personally I found it frustrating and decided to go pressurized, which I'm very happy with.

If you're supplementing CO2 you are pushing it above the level at which it is naturally in your tank. It wants to return to this level. The flatter you can keep the surface, the more you can slow this return down. HOBs can work, it might just be harder to reach a certain level of CO2. Canisters make it easier. Minimizing splashing will make it easier, etc.

The plants use the energy they can get from light to organize the stuff. Any leftovers will be used up by opportunists, commonly different types of algae. Keeping the whole thing balanced is where you'll find the learning curve. It just takes a little time to sort through.

HTH
 
Thanks for the link and the great reply. I read a ton of stuff and for some reason, it is just so hard to understand. I guess for sure ill need a bigger light. I still dotn understand hte co2 thing. When you make a co2 reactor, where does the co2 come from? DO you haev to put hte co2 in there or does is just make itself? Also, if i get low light plants, adn then later, get a nicer hood for my fish tank, would the low light plants die because there is too much light then? Antother quesiton that im pretty curious about is how many options are htere for a low light tnak? Where do you get your fertilizers? and finally, does the amount of fish that i would have matter? I still dont think im picking anyhting up, maybe plants arent my thing.
 
Re-read Carpguy's post. It explains many things very well, and the post on DIY CO2 that he refers you to pretty much simplifies the CO2 process.
Even for low light plants you will need to upgrade your lighting to 1.5 watts/gal. minimum. For you that means at least 30 watts. 40 - 50 would be better and still keep you in the low light category(which is a good place to start). You can grow a number of plants at this level. More lighting is for the more experienced aquarist.
No, increasing your lighting later will only help your low light plants grow faster. It won't negatively affect them.
For fertilizer info. I refer you to the sticky at the top of the plants page. Just about anything we could tell you is already contained there.
Len
 
Originally posted by djlen
Even for low light plants you will need to upgrade your lighting to 1.5 watts/gal. minimum. For you that means at least 30 watts. 40 - 50 would be better and still keep you in the low light category(which is a good place to start).

Ok, I am going through this problem also. I have the same situation with just the single light on a 20 gallon. My question is what is the cheapest way to get more watts? I am planning on buying a dual light strip, so that would bring it up to 30 watts. Is there are other 18" flourecent lights that are more than 15 watts? If so where do you get them?? Thanks, sorry to butt in on your post Andy16!
 
30 watts is the bare minimum for low light plants, IMO. You would be able to grow Javas, Crypts, Anubias, Apons. and some stem plants with that lighting.
I have a 55 with a 48" dual tube, bench light that only produces 80 watts. and grow all of the above pretty well at 1 1/2 watts. I do use ferts and CO2 as well, but with patience you could develope a nice tank with that light and with light fertilization.

I just feel that it's always better for newbies to start with low light and learn the ropes. Too many horror stories from people who start with 3 - 4 watts/gal. with algae. You can always upgrade your lighting as you learn what's required with higher light.
BTW, sometimes "the cheapest way" is not the best way to go. Check out this site for some nice lighting suggestions:
www.ahsupply.com
I think their 36 watt light kit would fit into a 20 Gal. fixture....I think.........
Len
 
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I read carpguys post again and decided that i should take this one step at a time. Figuring one thing out at a time. so ill start with the co2. Do you need a co2 reactor and a generator? or do you just need one or the other?

I think if i take it slower and ask one thing at a time, i can get it all in my head.

myersrj40, no problem, probably osme good info will come out of that question.
 
You need both. One makes the CO2, the other disperses it into the tank. Since you have two filters they both should be turned down as low as possible in order to create less surface disruption with will "gas off" the CO2 and waste what you produce.
You can get many more answers to your questions by using our search engine in the upper right of the page. Just type in CO2 and you'll find all kinds of info on the subject.
Len
 
I understand now about the co2 thing, but what are hte chances of the generator part blowing up? That would be the end of my fish tank career then once my mom sees what mess that would make. Thats hte only thing scaring me about that thing.


it would be cool and all, until i had to get rid of my fish tank.
 
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