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i agree with you grins.... but it when it comes down to it ,i stand up for myself,im not one to back down,and im sure as hell not going to get my parents to deal with it for me.. and yes teachers do reserve respect for the position they are in,however if they do not respect me,im obligated to return the favor;) in the end i really dont care who you are,being a teacher doesnt mean you deserve anymore respect than me,i mean its a job,nothing more..
 
If I were your mom I'd sit you down and explain the parts I disagree with and why my way may be a something that allows you to keep your own respect and at the same time work within the system to change it. Sometimes you have more power if you work within the system and beat them at their own game. But since I'm not your mom I'll just say we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
im not a bad kid,its not like im lookin for trouble... ive never been in trouble at school,and dont plan on being,its just i think power figures do take advantage of the people "below" them alot.. and i wont put up with it... jut how i am... if i was an adult i think people would be looking at me very differantly.
 
thanks very much :) and see,ive respected you in return! i respect even more because of your knowledge in aquaria too!
 
Pink, if I were you I know that I would be concerned about what is going on in your area. You have my prayers during these trying times.

Grins said:
I respect you a lot clown but I disagree. Fear didn't stop me from being a bad kid. Respect did.
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And I can agree that we are going to disagree.. But I see a lot of what I feel is a downgrade in our society and feel that it has a direct connection to a parents inability to take necessary action when they need, along with teachers inability to be able to do the same. Its like I said I AM NOT a proponent of abuse, but I think a lot of kids today are less afraid of the consequences than I used to be when I was a kid. And I think a little fear of those consequences would go further with todays youth so they understand that they just can't act out every urge that seems to go through their heads.

We have an issue up here in the courts with an 8 year old boy at the time was beating on another kid. The teacher who broke up the incident was released from work due to the complaints from the parent who said her child was handled inappropriately. In 25 years the teach never received a negative evaluation ever. The teacher is now out of a job along with loosing all of their benefits etc. On a local radio show it several parents had called in stating that the 8 year old who made the accusation that caused the teacher to loose their job and to sue for their job back is in actuality the local school bully.

If this teacher doesn't get her job back, she is always going to be looked at differently now and her reputation will be marred whether she gets it back or not. Just because a child and their parent were able to act out on an impulse that 30 years ago the parent would have told the child you probably deserved it. I stand by my statement.
 
As a classroom teacher in a rough school, I have to say that I agree with both the respect aspect and the inability to discipline the kids. I have a class full of kids whose family dynamic is the Norteno/Sureno gang life. Parents, friends, brothers and sisters in prison for violent crimes, or in a cemetary because of the result. Most of the kids respond to the no bull****, dead honest approach. They may not do every assignment, but they come to class and say good morning and talk about their lives. There are, however, kids who need a stronger hand. Detention is not a deterent to their rudeness and abusive behavior, yet it is the only option available to me. They continue with the behavior, despite kindness, honesty and acceptance, even when their best bud flourishes in the same environment. Do I honestly believe that a spanking *shudder* or a smack upside the head from a school employee would help? No. But these kids need something that I can't give them in my room, or on my campus. Compared to what their lives can be like ouside of school, what goes on inside is child's play. It leaves the teachers feeling helpless, because our entire lives are devoted to these kids. There is no easy answer to this problem. If there were, every child would graduate high school and move on to have a successful, balanced life in whatever path their life takes. They would know that teachers are there because they care more than words could express, and that all we want is for them to live out there dreams as respectful, responsible community members.......
 
I think teachers are pretty much helpless anymore. Our society has changed so much in favor of the students and the students rights not to even allow a teacher to raise their voice at a student in a classroom, that in some areas teachers have virtually no control of the students, the students control the classroom. This was the biggest shock to me when my oldest son went into our high school. He wasn't in the honors classes and maybe the honors classes are more mutually respectful. What I did hear from him is that if the kids in the class didn't want to do anything that day, they told the teacher they didn't want to....and they didn't. The teachers gave up. Detention?? Some of the kids getting detention would tell the principal right to his face they weren't going to it. And I see a fear in the eyes of the high school staff that I was surprised to see. I think they've been hammered to death on ridiculous issues by parents who haven't taught their children to respect anyone.....so a lot of things slide by. Here's an issue I think you'll find interesting....and remember, I'm small town in the country....I don't even think there's 1,000 students grades 9 thru 12...... One of my sons has serious Irritable Bowel Sydrome issues. He worries about being hit with this while in school and not having access to a bathroom. Every year I get a new note from the doctor, give it to the school so that he can have a special bathroom pass whereby all teachers must let him leave the room for the bathroom when he needs to leave. Not a huge problem, right?? WRONG! Seems there's a student who likes to deficate on the bathroom floor and smear it on the bathroom walls!! So.....they school puts padlocks on all the bathroom doors so they can't be used. What the hell good does it do my son to have a bathroom pass? The only bathroom available is the one in the nurses' office and the line is usually 20 or so long. And I have to try to keep my son from stressing out about this???? It's just nuts! The students who haven't done anything have to suffer for one psycho animal!

Some good has come out of this foiled plot to attack and kill students and teachers. We know have a system in place whereby the high school superintendent sends all parents a recorded voicemail with updates on the situation. This, while in place at our township's elementary school, was not in place at the high school. We are getting up to the minute information about the situation rather than reading it in the newspaper!
 
Wow - I see the problem, but padlocking the bathrooms is hardly an acceptable solution. They must be violating a whole bunch of codes/ordinances etc. by doing that...

I'd bring this up at a board meeting. They've got to find another way to handle it or they've got to pass out keys to your kid and any other students w/ special needs.
 
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