paintedglass tetras

[Roan Art]

thanks roan art.i think some of the people need to take a vacation so maybe go see a doctor or somthing to help them relax some!!!

Nah. I'm usually the one who gets stupid. These guys don't normally do this

i did not know they did that when i got them.i went in there and they were throwing them away because they had ick.

Most people don't realize what they are buying. FWIW I think if they told people outright what those fish were, they *wouldn't* buy them. BTW, the color on those fish will only last maybe a year or so. It fades.

i told them i will take them so they dont flush them.

Ack! Flushing them? Man, not only is that inhumane but it's not good for the eco system. Whatever's connected to that sewage system can contain fish and those fish are going to get ich. Great.

Good for you for saving the fish, dyed or not! :thm:

Roan

 

[mduros]

hello,we have a 30 gal. with 10 painted glass tetras.on the fins of 4 tetras there are what i thought was ick.i have been treating the tank for 7 days and no change.could it be somthing else?it looks likewhite specks on the outer parts of the fins.the instructions said 1 drop per gal.and for tetras 1 drop per 2 gal.so i only add 15 drops.also when then are ick free can they be added to a tank with mollies?thanks

Read this ich thread http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39759. I would switch treatment from your chemical and do salt and heat.
Good luck,
Mary.

 

[reptileguy2727]

you dont have to drop the meds, i would use the meds along with a raised temp and some salt (salt is not good for all species of freshwater fish).

 

[Roan Art]

you dont have to drop the meds, i would use the meds along with a raised temp and some salt (salt is not good for all species of freshwater fish).

This is really really bad advice. There are many meds, malachite green being one of them, that become very toxic in higher temperatures. More so to fish such as tetras, gouramis, barbs and bottom feeders.

Never mix treatments. It usually does more harm than good and can kill the fish. There's no point in using a cannon to kill a fly when all you need is a fly swatter. You want to kill the fly, not destroy the wall it's sitting on.

Salt in short term use is *fine* for FW fish. It's long term use that has detrimental affects.

Roan

 

[reptileguy2727]

i specifically said salt isnt good for all freshwater fish. and i have never had problems with meds at high temps (exactly what kind of high temps are you talking about?). the high temps are to get the life cycle of the parasite to be carried out faster. it isnt really mixing treatments, if anything just adding some salt and rasing the temp is half a cure in my experience, you still need to do more. with particularly sensitive species you need to do what you can asap, waiting to find out that the higher temps and salt werent quite enough may be too late to save the fish.

 

[Roan Art]

i specifically said salt isnt good for all freshwater fish. and i have never had problems with meds at high temps (exactly what kind of high temps are you talking about?). the high temps are to get the life cycle of the parasite to be carried out faster. it isnt really mixing treatments, if anything just adding some salt and rasing the temp is half a cure in my experience, you still need to do more. with particularly sensitive species you need to do what you can asap, waiting to find out that the higher temps and salt werent quite enough may be too late to save the fish.

I think you need to read this:

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39759

If salt + heat didn't work for you, then you most likely did not treat long enough or with enough salt.

Roan

 

[reptileguy2727]

i was thinking about it, and i have never heard that meds become more toxic at higher levels, not in books, online, forums, anywhere. im not saying it is impossible, but do you have any info on it from a good website or a book? i know that many people use just salt and heat to treat ick, but i prefer meds, i have found them to be more reliable.

 

[new2tanks]

thanks roan art.i think some of the people need to take a vacation so maybe go see a doctor or somthing to help them relax some!!!i did not know they did that when i got them.i went in there and they were throwing them away because they had ick.i told them i will take them so they dont flush them.

i wasnt jumping on anyone.
i was just saying that lfs stores that sell painted fish need to be boycotted.
jeeeze!

 

[Roan Art]

i was thinking about it, and i have never heard that meds become more toxic at higher levels, not in books, online, forums, anywhere. im not saying it is impossible, but do you have any info on it from a good website or a book? i know that many people use just salt and heat to treat ick, but i prefer meds, i have found them to be more reliable.

When the manufacturer -- in this instance Kordon -- of the drug puts cautions of that nature on their web site, I tend to sit down and make note:

Re: Malachite Green

"TOXICITY
The toxicity of Malachite Green varies with a number of factors including species of fish and its size, and less with prevailing water conditions. Malachite Green can be used at concentrations of 0.05-0.15 ppm. Used at 0.05 ppm, most species can be treated with little if any toxicity problems. However, care must be exercised when treating known sensitive fishes such as dwarf cichlids, barbs, tetras, gouramis, livebearers, catfish, loaches, mormyrids and scaleless fishes. Keep the fishes being treated under close observation and stop treatment, filter the water with activated carbon and perform a water change if any undue signs of stress are noted. AmQuel can be used to reduce treatment concentrations. Caution must always be exercised when using this product at dosages higher than 0.05 ppm. It is recommended that the literature be consulted in such cases for additional information on treatments.

Water conditions in general do not significantly influence the toxicity of the drug and therefore are not prime considerations for altering treatment procedures. When the drug is used in short term exposures, Malachite Green may tend to be more toxic to some species in warm water than in cold water. Preliminary experiments have demonstrated that hardness or pH of the water has a negligible effect on increasing or decreasing the toxicity of the drug."​

http://www.novalek.com/kpd26.htm

Malachite green goes by many names: Victoria green, aniline green and so forth and is a common ingredient in many ich medications. There are also cautions on their web site for their products that contain formalin, another commonly used ich medication.

The Kordon web site is a gold mine of medication information. Read their Product Data Sheets. I've read most of them by now and I am totally *shocked* at what other manufacturers, like Jungle, do not tell you about the chemicals they put in their prodcuts.

Remember, Kordon makes this stuff. They don't gain anything but consumer education by putting this all up for the public.

http://www.novalek.com/kpds.htm

Roan

 

[reptileguy2727]

but which species is it more toxic to in warmer water? thanks for the info.