Pathetic...

[Star_Rider]

Considering that every time an innocent person dies in a hail of police gunfire this is one of the first excuses they try to pawn off on us... Something about high stress levels and split second decision making...

your point is well taken.
tho, more often it is a split second decision..actually you have much less time than that.

tho here it is rarely a hail of gunfire . and 99.9% of the time the person was not innocent.
we lost a good many police officers who choose not to fire.

I also see how the Police fail to protect the public...when those drive by shootings kill innocent people.

they're darned if they do and darned if they don't.


i quit the department years ago when I figured me staying alive was more important to my family.

 

[Inka4040]

tho here it is rarely a hail of gunfire . and 99.9% of the time the person was not innocent.

Tell that to Amadou Diallo's family. Or Patrick Dorismond's. I'm sure Sean Bell's family and Abner Louima's family would have more than a little trouble swallowing that line of reasoning as well.

 

[Star_Rider]

I wouldn't expect them to.
the families of the criminals don't accept it either.

even if they had a hand in their own demise.

 

[Inka4040]

I wouldn't expect them to.
the families of the criminals don't accept it either.

even if they had a hand in their own demise.

Makes sense, considering how easy it is around these parts to get killed for fitting a description. Oh yeah, it's probably our fault for all looking alike right?

 

[Star_Rider]

no different than all cops are alike.



I think it boils down to changing mind set.

 

[Inka4040]

Not all the same no, but don't tell me that badge doesn't open up a big box of special consideration every time an officer decides to bend the laws in his own favor a bit, or put someone down for no apparent reason.

 

[Star_Rider]

Not all the same no, but don't tell me that badge doesn't open up a big box of special consideration every time an officer decides to bend the laws in his own favor a bit...

bad cop and in some places maybe there are too many of them.

I agree.. too much racial profiling .. but this comes from the top.

the chief of Police answers to a higher power.

 

[Cheech]

(don't mean to derail the thread, but this came as a very pleasant surprise... Was posted on the news today, applies for the privince of Quebec for now...)


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/03/27/mtl-quebec-taser-recall-0327.html

from the article:

The Quebec government is gradually pulling all its Taser stun guns off the street for testing after new lab results revealed problems with some of the weapons.

The Quebec government found problems with five Taser X26 stun guns, sparking a provincewide recall of the weapons. (Jonathan Hayward/Canadian Press)
Quebec was the first province to order testing of the stun guns after a CBC/Radio-Canada investigation showed some used by Canadian police did not meet the manufacturer's specifications.
The province sent 52 stun guns made before 2005 to an independent lab for testing. Five of them performed outside normal range.
With the results in hand, Quebec Public Security Minister Jacques Dupuis ordered all of the province's police departments to send their Taser stun guns to the lab for testing. The recall affects 167 weapons.


far too many questionable deaths have occured when tasers were involved.. hope these tests will reveil what's wrong with them, so when they are used in the future, no lives will be lost...

 

[Inka4040]

bad cop and in some places maybe there are too many of them.

I agree.. too much racial profiling .. but this comes from the top.

the chief of Police answers to a higher power.

Agreed, institutional racism is written into our society at every level, but that's probably another thread for another forum.

The problem is, if new rookies are coming into the force and being indoctrinated into this sort of belief system, then at the end of the day it doesn't really matter if they are good or bad to start out with. Just because it happens to be the current state of affairs doesn't mean it needs to stay that way, and any officer who enters the system and tolerates this behavior quietly is just as guilty as those directly responsible for it.

 

[IceH2O]

So I guess when a cop pulls someone over they should just be friendly until they car occupant shows ill intent?

Like these guys?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/21/MNVB16KU75.DTL


Sorry but Cops never know what is about to happen. They put their life on the line every time they start a shift.

Don't give me the why did they become cop line then... They became cops to help rid the world of criminals. They know they are risking their lives, doesn't make the job any better or the stress level lower. Split second decisions aren't easy and aren't always correct. Not every cop makes mistakes like that, some are worst.
Also this guy was pretty much still a young gun. Anyone that has been pulled over can tell the difference in how a young gun and a veterean treat them, why think it would be different anywhere else.