Ph, GH, KH Co2 ????????

Mrditty

Abused husband, dad
Ok I am feeling a bit stupid right now. Maybe you guys can help to educate me a bit.
I Just purchased a pressurized Co2 system. and in the possess of setting it up on my 200 I run some test
First PH 7.0

Using a new Hagen test kit.
Gh 320 ppm X .056 = 17.92 deg
Kh 50 ppm x .056 = 2.8 Deg

If I use the chart at www.floridadriftwood.com/page.asp?id=16
I get A co2 level around 8 ppm.
And I should be shooting for 20 ppm

Before I turn this on am I reading this correctly?

Duane
 
Everything sounds right. As Jared says, bring up your bubble rate gradually and test when you turn on the lights in the morning and again before lights out to make sure it's staying at that pH. You want to maintain a 25-30ppm CO2 level and they say even with pressurized it's normal for it to fluctuate slightly during the day. You're so lucky...hopefully I'll be in a position soon to go pressurized real soon. As most people know I'm always taking a poll when folks purchase a pressurized system.....where did you get your regulator, did it come with a needle valve, and are you happy with it?
By the way, the plants look great. Jacquie called me the day you dropped them off and said, "Dad, I made the connection. I got the goods." I felt like a drug lord. LOL
Thanks again for the effort.
Len
 
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You might want to consider raising your KH slightly. A KH of 3 will work, but you might be more comfortable with a KH sitting at around 4-5. Baking soda added weekly after water changes, or a small amount of crush coral added permanently to your filters should do the trick.
Do you have anything else in your tank that might lower pH? (ie. driftwood, peat, etc). Assuming you don't have any CO2 going into your tank right now, I find it hard to believe that your tank naturally has a CO2 level of 8ppm. Most tanks have an ambient level of around 2-3ppm, if not less. The KH/pH tables work well for CO2 concentrations, but only work if nothing else in the tank is affecting pH.

HTH
-Richer
 
Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought you had just set up your system and already have CO2 coming in -- otherwise yes -- your test readings would be off -- you would normally have 2-3 ppm CO2 at most without CO2. Are you using a commercial pH buffer of some sort?

Jared
 
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Purchased reg that came with needle ale and solenoid ,bubble counter, tubing from LFS for 140.00 got tank from welding house 10 gal for 80.00 replacements are to be 10.00. Having nothing to compare it with yes I am Happy with it.

I don't use and buffers on the tank but do have several pieces of drift wood in the tank.
I keep the tank stocked on the heavy side and I am one of those people who don't do water changes maybe one in the past year. I get a good bit of debris in the tank possibly raising the co2 a bit naturally. This tank has been up and running for 8 years I used 4" in of clay cat litter with 3" gravel over it for a substrate. 360 watts of light coming from standard flo tubes. Tank has been heavily planted ever since set up. with out much trouble My cryps melted down after the last water change. I will take a new sample this morning and run the full test battery on it.

Djen I think I miss labeled those cryps you got has wendtii I thnk they are acualy blassi I have had them for so long I forgot what they are for sure.
 
If things were going along pretty good before, and you do not do water changes often, why did you add the CO2?

Plants will grow faster. This will cause more nutrients to be used up. This means either you need to add the correct amounts and test often to balnce the removal rate.

Or do frequent large water changes.

I liken not doing water changes to not flushing your toilet while several of the family members live for a year in the bathroom. Sounds sick but it's sort of what's being done to the fish. Some export is done with the plant pruning but not that much.

Using a python makes water changes a snap. Takes me 45 minutes to change 3 tanks around 125 gallon's worth and I don't life a bucket.

Non CO2 enriched tanks are much more suited to few water changes and general neglect.

But adding CO2 changes things around. Now you are going to need to do water changes or else try a rather impossible balancing/testing routine.

The deal with water changes is that you prevent overdosing or having levels of nutrients TOO HIGH and you also will need to add nutrients to prevent them from getting TOO LOW.

Sure you can try to precisely balance 5 to 17 variable and test for each but virtually everyone fails. Water changes re sets the tank and is much easier.

If your tap water is KH 2.6 I'd just leave it alone if you plan on doing water changes and using CO2. Add enough CO2 gas(don't add anything else to adjust pH) to lower the pH to 6.4.
Keep it there during the lighting period.

You'll need to buy the macro nutrients and you likely have the traces already, eg Flourish, TMG, Sera etc.

KNO3,-stump remover aka potassium nitrate N
K2SO4 sulfur of potash, potassium sulfate K
KH2PO4- Potassium (mono basic) phosphate P

NPK-those numbers of the sides of fertilizer bags.

These are cheap and easy to add. You can get to within 1ppm by dosing them dry, like adding baking soda 1/4 teaspoon etc.
You can get all these from www.litemanu.com or the KNO3/ K2SO4 from a nursery.

If you add the CO2 you will be growing the plants much better/faster and you'll need address their needs more than you did in the past.

If you don't add NO3 or K etc, you will get stunted plants and when that happens you will get algae.

But here's some good news: 360w of light on a 200 gallon.
This means you'll have much less trouble trying to keep up the balance. At higher light levels dosing becomes more frequent.

But you should still plan on doing decent sized water changes once a week.
50% or so. You don't need to vacuum etc, just remove the water.
Make this easy on yourself.
But I think dosing once a week would be just about right. So after a water change, add the nutrients and then you only feed the fish for the rest of the week.
A drain and fill hose will make the water change thing way easy.

At this light level the plants will grow quite nice with CO2 and good nutrients.
Not too fast.

I would not change your substrate nor your lighting set up with out planning on more trimming of plants and 2x a week dosing etc.

If you use the CO2, do the water changes, add weekly after water change:

KNO3: 1.25 teaspoon
K2SO4: 2 teaspoon
KH2PO4: 1/8teaspoon
Traces/iron: 40mls

Get that CO2 going right first. Keep that level in the 20-30ppm range.
See the pH/KH/CO2 table here:
www.sfbaaaps.com

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
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