Plant Keeping with an idiot

chinnp

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I'm basically writing this as a warning for those who want to keep live plants, but aren't quite sure what they're doing. First of all, my tanks:


Tank 1 - 55 gallons, approx half a dozen each of black skirts, flame tetras, black neons, glo lites and buenos aires tetras. Approx 7-8 each of paleatus cories and pygmy cories, 2 dwarf gouramis (not quite sure how they showed up in there), and one fat and sassy bristlenose pleco.
Tank 2 - 29 gallons, approx a dozen or more cherry shrimp
Water - Same in both tanks, dechlorinated tap. Ph 7.8, tanks fully cycled, not sure on kh or dh, but I suspect both on the high side. Water around here tends to be limestone filtered.

Day 1 - I decide to keep live plants. I've kept fish for 3 yrs, had only one major loss when I moved and a filter crashed, but no disasters beyond that. There's been a share of ups and downs, but on the whole more ups than downs. I've been given some Java Moss free about a month prior to this and it's survived so, I figure I can keep something more complicated.

Day 2 - After doing precious little research I head down to the LFS. I had read a lot of complicated technical jargon about lighting, CO2 generators, phosphate levels, yada, yada, yada. I explain to the lady at the LFS that I want some plants that are easy to keep and impossible to kill (I have a notorious black thumb). I pick one plant that I think looks attractive, but she explains that it's a terrestrial plant that's really not geared to live underwater and will not survive very long. (I'm glad I'm such a frequent customer that she won't sell me something like that, but concerned that she will sell it to some stranger off the street.) She sells me some Hornwort and some sort of sword that she tells me is not an Amazon sword. I add them to the tank and they look great.

Day 5 - Plants are starting to droop. Leaves on the Amazon are turning brown. One plant appears to have died. Several specimens of the hornwort have drifted up off the gravel and are floating. I replant them, yet they still droop. I also discover a snail in the 29. I have mixed feelings about this.

Day 6 - Off to the LFS. They suggest my lighting is not sufficient. This is likely given that I've got two 18w bulbs on the 55 and one 22 w bulb on the 29. The suggest I replace my light bulbs (something I've never done on either tank) and sell me new ones. I do this and also remove the tinting I had over the light bulb on the 29 gallon (I wanted it to be darker). They also tell me some plants do this after they're replanted. I discover two unknown snails (but I suspect pond snails) in my tank. I am contemplating if I should remove them or not and if so, how.

Day 9 - The swords appear to be recovering. They're turning green again and the one I thought had died is perking up and growing leaves again. The hornworts still droop and I have to replant a few of them. Part of me thinks it is too late for them and the other part of me refuses to give up hope as the main stalk still stands up right. I go to Big Als and order new lights. A 110w for the 55 gallon and 60w for the 29. We shall see if things improve when the lights come in.
 
It sounds like you're on the right track with the new lighting you've ordered. You'll be at about 2 watts per gallon, which is good for growing many of the popular and easy to keep plants (such as java fern, cryptocoryne, anubias, hygrophila, anacharis and many more--you can check out tropica.com for more species).

My advice to you (if you want any) is to pick plants based on their lighting needs, not what looks good to you in the store, or what LFS employees recommend. A little research (again tropica.com) can save you heartache and money, as I've learned. Also, plants like hornwort don't really "root" in the gravel/soil, so floating it is fine, if you're getting frustrated. A little Flourish Excel (carbon) every few days can do the plants a world of good, but NOT if you choose anacharis plants (they'll melt).

Good luck.
 
Ms.Bubbles said:
It sounds like you're on the right track with the new lighting you've ordered. You'll be at about 2 watts per gallon, which is good for growing many of the popular and easy to keep plants (such as java fern, cryptocoryne, anubias, hygrophila, anacharis and many more--you can check out tropica.com for more species).

My advice to you (if you want any) is to pick plants based on their lighting needs, not what looks good to you in the store, or what LFS employees recommend. A little research (again tropica.com) can save you heartache and money, as I've learned. Also, plants like hornwort don't really "root" in the gravel/soil, so floating it is fine, if you're getting frustrated. A little Flourish Excel (carbon) every few days can do the plants a world of good, but NOT if you choose anacharis plants (they'll melt).

Good luck.

My mistake was not doing enough research. I honestly didn't know quite what I was getting into and it got me in trouble. I like the way hornwort looks when it's rooted so hopefully when I get my lights up and running, I won't have the problems of them not staying in the substrate.
 
It may be the fish that are uprooting the hornwart or possibly the filter current is too strong at the location you're placing them. If your substrate is deep enough, try planting the stems deeper if you can.

Also, with 2 WGP lighting, you may want to look at CO2 as an option. there are some great DIY CO2 solutions out there! One I think looks the best is HERE!



PEACE!

-TF
 
TetraFreak said:
It may be the fish that are uprooting the hornwart or possibly the filter current is too strong at the location you're placing them. If your substrate is deep enough, try planting the stems deeper if you can.

Also, with 2 WGP lighting, you may want to look at CO2 as an option. there are some great DIY CO2 solutions out there! One I think looks the best is HERE!



PEACE!

-TF

I've looked at CO2 options, but I'm not sure if I want to go that route at this point or not. I'm going to see what happens with the new lights and go from there. I think with the bio-load I've got in the 55 that I've got enough CO2 in there.
 
chinnp said:
I've looked at CO2 options, but I'm not sure if I want to go that route at this point or not. I'm going to see what happens with the new lights and go from there. I think with the bio-load I've got in the 55 that I've got enough CO2 in there.

You will probably just get alot of algae. Bio Load won't do much for Co2 levels from my experience, they will help with nitrate though.

Is the Forced reactor really that much better?

Are they noisy?

You will want

Flourish Excel (which kills some plants but works great for me) for Co2 and / or DIY reactor. (I think it kills anacharis and some vals)

I use KNO3 for Potassium and Nitrate (I use a stump remover from lowes might have to do some research here to find one that has correct ingrediants)

and Flourish.

Still have to learn to dose phosphates.... Plants are doing pretty good... But you will need ferts and CO2 if you don't want to screw around with algae. I would also recomend a fast growing plant to out compete the algae that will result from your new lights.

You will likely get BBA from lack of CO2, Ihad most my algae under controll except for this killer untill I added Excel in addition to my DIY.
 
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At 2 watts per gallon, I don't think algae should be a giant problem as long as lights aren't on for more than 10-12 hours, and plants (especially the fast growers like anacharis, hygrophila, valisneria) are doing well and continuing to grow. Not overfeeding fish & maintaining regular water changes (say weekly 25% or so) should also help to keep excess nutrients out of the water, so algae starves).
 
The lights came in from Big Al's today. I put them up at about 9 and the lights on the tank will go off at about 10 so they won't make much difference today. I now have a 110w on the 55 and a 55w on the 29. The only plants I'm growing right now are some hornwort, some swords and some Java fern. I'm a fan of the KISS method since I have the tendency to screw up anything complicated so I'll see how well they do with just the improved lighting. Then we'll see where (if anywhere) I need to go from there.
 
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