pressurized CO2 or liquid concentrate?

I'm just going to go with the Hagen Ladder and Flourish excel right now. When I can comfortably afford the pressurized system I will go that route. Like I said, I can go quite awhile on $25.00. I will keep you posted how things go with the liquid dosing. Are the other Excel products really necessary? I guess you have to test the water to accurately know for sure?!
 
I did a ton of research before buying a pair of pressurized setups this week (my two larger tanks now each have a 10-lb. CO2 bottle, Milwaukee MA957 regulator w/ gauges & bubble counter).

I got a bargain on the Milwaukee regulators I could not pass up. Came out to under $150.00 to start one tank, and that included a trip to town to get the new cylinder charged w/ CO2 by the friendly welding shop guys. :)

That said...if you can't get the Milwaukee regulator setup for $90 or less (got both of mine new for less than $70 each), I would get this instead:

Aquariumplants.com regulator

The reason I say this is, even though it's about $50 more than the max I'd pay for a Milwaukee regulator setup, it has some better features:

1.) Regulator is easier to fine-tune
2.) Low-pressure gauge has a zero-to-15psi range (this is all you need; gauges with more range than this on the regulator output side are not useful)
3.) Fine-thread needle valve (you turn it versus trial-and-error-nudging to get a fine-tuned CO2 flow).

My Milwaukee MA957's will take the better part of a week to tune for people who haven't used gas regulators before, though since I'm familiar with gas regulators (laboratory work in college; gas welding and cutting torches), I've almost got the seetings to just right in 24 hours.

The other bonus to using the Aquariumplants.com regulator is that you won't be tempted to crank the regulator to the point where you're getting high pressures when the solenoid de-powers...the gauge goes only to 15psi. Really, if you use more than 15psi, some solenoids have to work hard to "unseat" the sealing surface, and you'll destroy them in a couple days. Which brands are fragile? I don't know, so I treat my gear as if it is. The regulator should be used to set the flow as close as you can get it...the needle valve is used for fine-tuning, and much better for the longevity of the solenoid if you don't use it at all.

As far as my setups go, I've got good flow without the regulated-side gauge needle even moving off the peg...in short, I'm in the 5-7psi range, with the needle valves only required to slow down the flow just the tiniest amount, if at all.

Pressurzied CO2? I'd say go for it. Although it did cause explosive plant growth over the last year, I've given up on sugar and yeast. Whenever my wife wanted to bake some sweets, we were always out of sugar! :rolleyes:

v/r, N-A
 
loaches r cool said:
Yeeks thats expensive. But dont blame it on the Excel. I have a 45G that I am using only Excel on it and figure it will be $20/year or less. You might want to look at this if you have a big tank: http://www.bigalsonline.com/BigAlsUS/ctl3684/cp18480/si1380292/cl0/seachemflourishexcel4liter would probably last you a year or so for $38, plus a few on shipping.

But yeah, when your talking a 3 digit tank, I'd be looking into pressurized. I actually do both, I use Excel right after my weekly water change. I fgure that it might help more instantly replenish carbon in the water plus its suppose to help against algea too, and I do spot treatments with excel.
I've been dosing 2 caps a day and then I have to add more when I do my weekly 50% water change...and yeah I've been buying the small bottles. :sad:
 
It's only been a few days and dosing with the liquid excel has done wonders!
There are new plants growing! I haven't had any new (real good) growth is a loooong time. woo hoo for excel! I just order 1L for 15.00, this should last 6 months @ 10ml. every 2nd day. :dance2: :clap: :dive2:
Any comments on the other products flourish carries like potassium, iron, etc.
I'm getting the flourish, flourish excel and the potassium.
 
naps said:
I've been dosing 2 caps a day and then I have to add more when I do my weekly 50% water change...and yeah I've been buying the small bottles. :sad:

$8 a week. A month is $32. In 5-6 months, you could get a CO2 setup if you started looking now.

My CO2 setup: 15# CO2 cylinder, JBJ regulator, 3-way manifold, 3 bubble counters, 3 nano glass diffusers...probably around $160 since I pieced it together slowly.
 
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