Then this is a perfect opprotunity for Haggisman to enlighten us all and give us documented evidence of the lineage of Blood Parrots.
Resty and Cueball (pure bred baby Blood Parrot Cichlids)
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Scott, you almost sound as if you have hard evidence that Blood Parrots are hybrids. Where is it?
How many wild caught Ballon Mollies, Short Paroon Sharks, and Blue Dempsey's have you seen? None, because even if these mutations did occur in the wild, the fish with the mutations would most likely not survive. Albinos are common among many captive bred fish, yet are virtually never encounted in the wild because the mutation hinders the fish instead of helping it.
You give the names Pam Chin and Mojo, and act as if they are the leading authorities. Mojo and Pam are both aquarist like the rest of us, and have no doubt spent little time researching Parrot Cichlid origins. Their opinion should carry no more weight than anyone elses.
When you have Sven Kullander and Ad Konings saying that there is no chance that this fish is a mutation of the Midas cichlid, then I will believe you.
How many wild caught Ballon Mollies, Short Paroon Sharks, and Blue Dempsey's have you seen? None, because even if these mutations did occur in the wild, the fish with the mutations would most likely not survive. Albinos are common among many captive bred fish, yet are virtually never encounted in the wild because the mutation hinders the fish instead of helping it.
You give the names Pam Chin and Mojo, and act as if they are the leading authorities. Mojo and Pam are both aquarist like the rest of us, and have no doubt spent little time researching Parrot Cichlid origins. Their opinion should carry no more weight than anyone elses.
When you have Sven Kullander and Ad Konings saying that there is no chance that this fish is a mutation of the Midas cichlid, then I will believe you.
Even fish experts can mis inform. I found mis information here and there in older editions of Axelrod and Louselle publications. There are several thousand species of cichlids and no one in his entire life, even experts, can keep a quarter of them. Experts have to be knowlegeable about every cichlid and inevitably, they have to rely on information from others to write about fish they have never kept or even seen. I bet that none of the cichlid experts have ever kept Blood Parrot because they resent hybrid in the first place, even rumored one.
Since the creator of BP did not reveal the truth, the origin of BP remains a speculation. The weight of evidence, however, convince me that BP is a mutant Red Devel, not a hybrid. BP shares many traits similar to Blue Dampsey--infertile with deformed finage. BD is a confirmed mutant by its creator, though the rumor that it is a hybrid between Dampsey and Tetrcanthus is still floating around. Domesticated fish are full of mutants, just look at ballon Molly, albino and veil finned fish, and the many weird looking fancy goldfish.
Since the creator of BP did not reveal the truth, the origin of BP remains a speculation. The weight of evidence, however, convince me that BP is a mutant Red Devel, not a hybrid. BP shares many traits similar to Blue Dampsey--infertile with deformed finage. BD is a confirmed mutant by its creator, though the rumor that it is a hybrid between Dampsey and Tetrcanthus is still floating around. Domesticated fish are full of mutants, just look at ballon Molly, albino and veil finned fish, and the many weird looking fancy goldfish.
Ok, your post seemed a bit long an pointless. I'm not saying I have definate proof that Parrot Cichlids are hybrids. I would never claim this. My point is simply that no tests have been performed to track the origin, and because there are many more points to suggest the fish is a mutation, it would be foolish to state that without a doubt they are hybrids.
In your earlier post you stated I have even ask Pam Chin about this Blood Parrots. She told me that this is hybrid fish. You seem to act as if her word should be good enough for anyone. And I'm not putting her down. She's a great woman and I have talked to her in person several times. Its just that neither her nor mojo has had tests done, and neither of their opinions should be the definant answer. I mean, I asked Tiger15, he said that they are probably mutations
I respect the opinion of many professionals. Not because they themselves are something extraordinary, as they are just humans, but because they have an exteme amount of experiance and training and they have done many good works.
In your earlier post you stated I have even ask Pam Chin about this Blood Parrots. She told me that this is hybrid fish. You seem to act as if her word should be good enough for anyone. And I'm not putting her down. She's a great woman and I have talked to her in person several times. Its just that neither her nor mojo has had tests done, and neither of their opinions should be the definant answer. I mean, I asked Tiger15, he said that they are probably mutations
I respect the opinion of many professionals. Not because they themselves are something extraordinary, as they are just humans, but because they have an exteme amount of experiance and training and they have done many good works.
Peifc, you can believe that UFO's are actually time travelers from the future if you want. I don't care what you believe. Its that fact that you are stating that Blood Parrots are hybrids, end story. When the fact is, we really don't know for sure. Once I did some research and found the species that were claimed to be the parents, that was enough evidence for me to suspect that these fish are not hybrids. I'm currently keeping 40+ large American cichldids in 4400g of water, and have seen my share of hybrids. I know for a fact that Vieja X Amphilophus hybrids do not result in anything that even remotely resembles a Blood Parrot. Friends have had Midas and Severum spawn, and the result was not Blood Parrots. Some more evidence that these fish are not hybrids, although certainly not proof. But atleast enough to make me rethink the old hybrid rumor, which may or may not be true.
Uh, never once did I say that Sven Kullander and Ad Konings have said that the Blood parrot is not a hybrid. I simply mentioned these people to give an example of the type of people I would be more willing to believe.
Believe what Rapps, mojo, and Pam have supposedly said if you want. But the fact is that these people know nothing more on this subject than anyone else that has commented.
Your replies keep straying farther and farther from the topic, and keep getting harder to understand.
Uh, never once did I say that Sven Kullander and Ad Konings have said that the Blood parrot is not a hybrid. I simply mentioned these people to give an example of the type of people I would be more willing to believe.
Believe what Rapps, mojo, and Pam have supposedly said if you want. But the fact is that these people know nothing more on this subject than anyone else that has commented.
Your replies keep straying farther and farther from the topic, and keep getting harder to understand.
another worthless blood parrot thread. they all start the same way. first someone mentions something about them, then people start agruing forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever until someone closes the thread. i hope they do this soon
Then this is a perfect opprotunity for Haggisman to enlighten us all and give us documented evidence of the lineage of Blood Parrots.
Like I said already(in the hybrid thread), I(like everyone else)do not know the lineage of the blood parrot cichlid.
Blood Parrots are hybrids period. They do not occur in the wild. They are a cross between two species.
But it looks like you know better so why dont you tell me
He told me in the hybrid forum that Blood Parrot is the mutation of Red Devil/Midas. *shrug*
Looks like someone has a little trouble reading
, this is what I actually wrote.
What I'm saying is that you dont have any solid proof that a blood parrot cichlid is a hybrid between two species yet you basically told another member that they were.Not only that but you told them they were wrong in thinking they were inbred red devils/midas.
Until someone has solid proof then its just one persons opinion over the over the other, so there are no right or wrong answers
I personally think that blood parrots are the result of a freak mutatated red devil/midas that was then line bred to produce the BP we know and love(or in many cases hate).But I certainly would not tell someone else this as gospel.
I believed what she said, but did I say and tell others to believe that as well?
Pretty much yeah, you said this
I hope you don't really believe that...and ended up giving people wrong information in the future. I went into "The Cichlid Room Companion" and read (ask Pam) that Blood Parrot is hybrid...man made fish. Do get accurate information before you mention something like that in the forum. AND Blood Parrot started in Asia...and YES, it is hybrid. AND they have just also imported another kind of Blood Parrot...called KingKong Blood Parrot that has the same body as Midas, the mouth can be able to close, can be aggressived, develops a hump as it gets older, and can get to 12" or 14".
Pam chin? Mojo?......if they have proof to show then great, but I suspect that like the rest of us hobbyists they can only guess.
Anyway I will end by(again)saying that until someone has solid proof then the BP's history is a mystery(hey that rhymed
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Like I said already(in the hybrid thread), I(like everyone else)do not know the lineage of the blood parrot cichlid.
Blood Parrots are hybrids period. They do not occur in the wild. They are a cross between two species.
But it looks like you know better so why dont you tell me
He told me in the hybrid forum that Blood Parrot is the mutation of Red Devil/Midas. *shrug*
Looks like someone has a little trouble reading
, this is what I actually wrote.What I'm saying is that you dont have any solid proof that a blood parrot cichlid is a hybrid between two species yet you basically told another member that they were.Not only that but you told them they were wrong in thinking they were inbred red devils/midas.
Until someone has solid proof then its just one persons opinion over the over the other, so there are no right or wrong answers
I personally think that blood parrots are the result of a freak mutatated red devil/midas that was then line bred to produce the BP we know and love(or in many cases hate).But I certainly would not tell someone else this as gospel.
I believed what she said, but did I say and tell others to believe that as well?
Pretty much yeah, you said this
I hope you don't really believe that...and ended up giving people wrong information in the future. I went into "The Cichlid Room Companion" and read (ask Pam) that Blood Parrot is hybrid...man made fish. Do get accurate information before you mention something like that in the forum. AND Blood Parrot started in Asia...and YES, it is hybrid. AND they have just also imported another kind of Blood Parrot...called KingKong Blood Parrot that has the same body as Midas, the mouth can be able to close, can be aggressived, develops a hump as it gets older, and can get to 12" or 14".
Pam chin? Mojo?......if they have proof to show then great, but I suspect that like the rest of us hobbyists they can only guess.
Anyway I will end by(again)saying that until someone has solid proof then the BP's history is a mystery(hey that rhymed
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OK!!!!
BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT ON WHATEVER I SAID. Make all assumption on what I said for all I care. I BELIEVE WHATEVER I WANT. PERIOD..............
BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT ON WHATEVER I SAID. Make all assumption on what I said for all I care. I BELIEVE WHATEVER I WANT. PERIOD..............
I guess some posts were deleted because I am sure not following this.
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Touchee. (sp?)
One question then. If blood parrots were a mutatuion then to get them in the quantity they appear would there be another way than line breeding? If they are line bred than who does it? I can say for sure that Rapps breeds blue dempseys, can anyone say for sure someone that breeds parrots to meet the supply and demand currently seen?
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Touchee. (sp?)
One question then. If blood parrots were a mutatuion then to get them in the quantity they appear would there be another way than line breeding? If they are line bred than who does it? I can say for sure that Rapps breeds blue dempseys, can anyone say for sure someone that breeds parrots to meet the supply and demand currently seen?
