Seachem's stability

ambrosiamonkey said:
That's news to me. According to my LFS, Bio-Spira was unavailable for a while because Marineland couldn't keep up with the demand, but it is now available again, I got some a week ago and used it to set up a new 50 gallon tank last weekend, and it's worked out with no problems so far. I understand that it has to be continuously refrigerated. If the refrigeration breaks down somewhere in the shipping process, that would affect how well it works and it might be presented as a "shelf life problem" as an explanation.
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I read that on here but someone said that that stopped production b/c they could not keep up with demand. But no one stops production b/c demand is high. According to all my LFS, it was shelf life that was the reason it was taken off.
I did see an ad for it one of the mags that stated that it's coming back and that it's new & improved.
That implies (to me) that they stopped production due to shelf life issues.
I'm not going to deniy that it's not good. I've used it, just it to play with it. Worked great BUT if you did get some that was not fresh it was useless. I setup over a 100 plus tanks in the last 2 yrs.
 
It was stopped due to the fact they ran out. It takes time to grow a suitable level of bacteria to use. Also they were starting toproduce BioSpira for Marine tanks at the time.

And if you like damaging goldfish then I guess cycling with them is best, but I don't see how it is better then a fishless cycle or daily water changes. Damagin fish to me seems rather silly. But hey, you set up a lot of tanks so you must be doing something right killing all those goldfish.
 
TKOS said:
It was stopped due to the fact they ran out. It takes time to grow a suitable level of bacteria to use. Also they were starting toproduce BioSpira for Marine tanks at the time.

And if you like damaging goldfish then I guess cycling with them is best, but I don't see how it is better then a fishless cycle or daily water changes. Damagin fish to me seems rather silly. But hey, you set up a lot of tanks so you must be doing something right killing all those goldfish.
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I'm not going to agrue about the suitable levels for production. If you do it any manufacturing you build your leads in and, in theory, you have no production problems ( rolling inventory).
But that does not change that shelf life sucked.
I have used both
Unfortunately, Bio-Spira is not available in my area and a couple lfs call me to setup tanks for people so I gotta get them done and of cousre I seed the tanks as well.
If you do it right you do not kill any of them. The biggest problem is ich.

But
 
freeless2002 said:
IMHO, fishless cycle is quick and cheap but you do not learn a thing from it. Plus, the products have no shelf life.
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What is the shelf life of ammonia? That's the only fishless cycle product you need. Using products like Cycle, Bio-Spira, Stability, etc have nothing to do with fishless cycling.

What do you learn by setting up a tank and throwing in a few goldfish? After the cycle, what do you do with the goldfish if they are fortunate enough to survive?
 
ArkyLady said:
What is the shelf life of ammonia? That's the only fishless cycle product you need. Using products like Cycle, Bio-Spira, Stability, etc have nothing to do with fishless cycling.

What do you learn by setting up a tank and throwing in a few goldfish? After the cycle, what do you do with the goldfish if they are fortunate enough to survive?
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I learned not to judge people.
Actually, more that you did by watching that cup of ammonia in a tank. Explain to me the exact biological functions and processes of the aquatic ecosystem.

Truth be told more died from ich than anything else. most of the are in high schools tanks in the science deptment.
 
The original production runs of Bio-Spira had a six-month expiration date. The new production runs have a one-year expiration. The original production scale was not sufficient to meet the demand for the product (the first of such to actually work), so major new equipment and processes had to be developed.

But Bio-Spira is not for fishless cycling. It includes heterotrophs, so is intended for a tank with fish and normal feeding.

Fishless cycling teaches novices how to use test kits, and forces the development of an awareness that what you can't see can be harmful or fatal to fish, plus it teaches that patience is a requirement for this hobby. The big thing is that kills or injures no fish, nor does it introduce any diseases into the tank.

I won't even ask why goldfish died from Ich.
 
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