Shy fish or incorrect parameters?

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HardyKeeper

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I have a year-old, and some months, tank, its fully cycled as of 2023 of December 2nd. The only known problem I'm battling right now is an outbreak of Cyanobacteria (I've been hand removing and doing water changes at least once a week). I've recently removed several handfuls of java fern as it was overgrown. The tank is 10 gallons, and has a HOB filter that I wash and occasionally replace once it gets too dirty (covered in cyano or brown algae, for whatever reason) to be effective. There's a bubbler (Without a stone as it had begun to foam at the surface. This may be why they're afraid. I'm not sure. I can reattach the stone to see if it helps.) It also has a 50 watt heater and small black gravel. I have several Java ferns and a few Anubias Nana's. I have a second Anubias plant, but I'm not sure what its called. Its leaves are wider, that I know. I have a small piece of driftwood that I've attached a baby java fern to, it doesn't have any hiding places apart from the leaves. I also have an ornament in the back right corner that all of my fish seem to enjoy hiding in or around. My Neon tetras have lived with me for half a year now, and my shrimp and rasbora have lived with me for a year.

I do also have green spot algae and brown algae that I'm struggling with. I also recently came to terms with an odd kind of worm (teardrop shaped, translucent with light brown and darker colors—I assumed its innards which I later discovered was its 'mouth', and when it came in contact with another of its kind, would 'attack' it by shooting what I could only describe as the second mouth in Alien. I was assured it wasn't a leech, and I wasn't told what it was as the people at MCAquatics didn't know. They, the unknown worm-like creature, haven't bothered my fish, and they seem to live off the detritus worms. I had at the time experimented with what they were susceptible to, and they would die upon contact to salt, and would invert on themselves after sitting in a motionless shallow cup of aquarium water for a few days. They came as small as a detritus worm is wide (and just as white), and as large as a small pinky nail bed is long (larger the 'pinker'). There is a greenhouse and a hydroponic plant system on either side that supply extra light, but I block what I can with clipboards.

I cannot currently remember or think of any other problems that I am or have dealt with that may have left an impact upon my Neon tetras that would cause them to not want to actively swim around. The last water change was done on Monday, September 2nd. My Parameters (Last measured September 3rd, 6:48 pm, or 1848) goes as follows:

(Parameter kit by API, followed instructions with a stopwatch.)
GH: 120
KH: 40
PH: 6.5
Nitrite: 0
Nitrate: 20

(Ammonia parameter kit by API, followed instructions with timer.)
(measured at 8:25) Ammonia: 0 ppm

The temperature is at 78 F˚, the only possible fluctuations are during water changes where I use tap from a shower, treated by water conditioner (Aqueon water conditioner, 16.0 fl oz. I may be using too much water conditioner as it claims 5ml is enough to cleanse 10 gallons, and I've been treating 3 gallons per water change with 5 ml, sometimes a little less. I've heard that could cause problems, I'm not aware of the risks associated with that though.)

My stock:
4 Neon tetras (One died very strangely a month after they settled in; It grew very boney and milky eyed despite having the same opportunity to eat the same amount as the others.)
1 Dwarf Rasbora (I'm aware it should be in a group of 3-5, I had originally gotten 3, but the stress from the move was too much, and they grew—the only way I can explain this is—opaque, and their capability to swim was extremely horrible. They both died on their own. The remaining fish lived on its own for a few months until I was able to purchase more, but upon looking for Dwarf Rasboras at the store I'd gone to originally, I had found none and ended up getting the neon tetras after looking at two other stores. The Rasbora has since schooled with the neon tetras without issue.)
3 Amano shrimp (These I had gotten with the Rasboras and have thrived on algae wafers and fish flakes that sank to the bottom.)

What I suppose my question is, Why aren't my (seemingly completely healthy) Neon Tetras (and other) swimming around their tank?

(Image of tank included. Mild water damage on particle board from a possible leak that I will likely post another question for help with diagnosing and treating, and from water changes. I will be getting an Aquarium stand and a pothos plant soon.)
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I realize I said it was cycled as of 2023 December 2nd, I meant I got it then and began the cycle. It finished cycling roughly 6-8 months after.
 

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Welcome to AC!

OK, I'm still trying to get your entire tank issues from a once through reading.

Your tank looks nice! Java ferns will, soon-ish, slowly, take over. The adult plants get pretty big for a 10g. So, give or trade some away. Do you have a fish or plant club near you? Clubs are fun!

How much, as a percentage, water do you change each time? How often? Algae problems of all kinds can happen for many reasons. Brown algae can be from the initial cycling (diatoms) that go away after a few weeks. If it persists it can be from high nitrate or too much poo in the substrate. Do you vacuum the substrate when you do water changes? How far down do you vac? Try to keep nitrate at 20ppm or preferably less. None of your plants root deeply but they do send down some roots into the substrate. Don't worry about deep vacuuming, you don't need to worry about damaging roots.

Cyanobacteria is often from fluctuating co2 levels. Try more water changes more often & see if that helps. Vac out all you can every time. There are meds to kill it but you need to address why, or it will come back.

Green algae on the glass is often from too much light. I do 6+ hours/day & use a timer. You can split the time into say 2 3 hour blocks (easy with a timer). I use what were $5 ones from target or other inexpensive stores.

Some algae just needs to be scraped off the glass. Luckily my husband usually does that. But on a 10g it'll only take a few minutes BEFORE a water change. Vac out all you can.

I'm out of typing steam for tonight, I'll think about your fish tomorrow.
 
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I haven't yet mastered how to vacuum the gravel without completely sucking it up with the siphon, so I'm kinda scared to. Whenever I do, its very cloudy and I get about 70% of the gravel in the bucket, and 30% back in the tank by frantic shaking to loosen the suction. I do 30% water changes every time I do one. Although with my water levels (visibly on the glass, I mean) it seems more like 50%.
 

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OK, try just a quick plunge with the vac, just down & then up fairly fast (without panic). Start with halfway to the bottom glass & work toward deeper. If you go too slow more substrate will get sucked up. It just a matter of practice. Your substrate looks pretty fine (small) so that will get sucked up easier. It's not a huge deal to remove some substrate but a PITA to have to return it to the tank. Practice! & when the substrate goes around halfway up the vac tube, quickly pull it up but not above the tank surface so the substrate falls down instead of into the bucket & you don't lose suction. Really fine sand is harder to do but not impossible. Practice!!

The "very cloudy" vac water says to me you need to do it more often. A 10g is not hard to do, 3 or 4 gallons at a time. Try doing it 2x/week 30% or so at a time...& feed the fish less food. You don't have many fish (good!) but you may be overfeeding a little. Poo or uneaten food, either way it's pollution you need to remove. Sometimes you might get away with just a surface vac but for now go for more until things are more under control.

You'll get there, but there is a learning curve to each tank.
 
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So I'd be dipping the suction hose into the gravel, and then pulling it up in a small, short movement to displace the gravel?
 
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So I'd be dipping the suction hose into the gravel, and then pulling it up in a small, short movement to displace the gravel?
Yeah.. basically.

I always like to keep a hand on the tap to restrict flow through the tube too (if you are using a python or something that attached to the faucet.. if gravel (or a fish or plant or so ething you want to keep) accidentally goes up slowing the water normally makes it go back into the tank .

It looks, to me, like some plants may be planted too deeply.. if there's a rhizome it normally needs to be out of the gravel.. not in it..

And no idea about the 'worm' a better picture might help...
 

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Ill pull the rhizome out of the water as soon as I get home! Thank you, I didn't know that. I'm sure my plants will thank you. Ill give a photo of the 'worm'. 1725547347411.png1725547358206.png
I have a hand pump siphon, would I have to kink the hose to break suction temporarily?
 

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Others are doing great helping assess your situation, I don't have anything to add. You're in great hands. I just wanted to say "welcome" and that your post is one of the most complete and useful initial posts I've seen. I hope you're able to get the answers you're looking for.
 
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If you siphon into a bucket, I tend to keep my thumb over the end.. alternatively you can always retrieve from the bucket too


No real clue about the worm unfortunately.

You can often tell by how they move as well . Or maybe someone recognizes it.
 
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