Signs of ICH on my JD's! How should I attack it?

jagarundi

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:mad2 I just realized why my JD's aren't swimming around like the Green Terrors. Upon closer inspection, I noticed that the smallest JD has little white spots all over him. Last night, I noticed that the little JD was scrapping himself against the rocks and gravel as if something was inching the little guy. Is this really ich? If so, what is the best way to treat it? I'm new to the big fish scene so could someone explain it to me, step by step?

Thanks
 
Okay dont worry, every fish keeper comes across ich at some point. its bacically a parasite thats sort of like your fish getting the human equivelent of the flu! so long as you treat it before it gets out of hand there should be no problem.
The parasite has thee stages to its cycle. first you will see it appear on your fish like little white grains of salt, like you see now hwere it is feeding on your fish. once these have matured they will fall off the fish and probably into your substrate where they will start to reproduce and then spew out thousands into the water each one hunting for a new host to latch on to, to start the cycle again. Now this sounds uncontrollable and scarey but its during these second and third stages of the cycle where it is very valnerable to temperature, and they only have a limited life span. So firstly you need to increase your temperature to about 86 as this shortens the parasites life span making it far harder to reproduce and find a new host. Some people also find it helps to add salt to the water, you can use ordinary salt at aprox 1 teaspoon per 2 galls (be warned this isn't suitable for all fish but your chichlids should be fine) add the salt gradually over the next couple of days then wait.
After a few days you should find all the spots have gone from your fish, word of advice dont bring your temp right back down as soon as you cant see it on your fish any more, give it a few more days, as its only once the parasites have got very large that you can even visibly see them on your fish, and all it takes is for a few to survive and you will get a secondary infection.
Its a good idea also at this time to perform a number of large water changes on your tank as this should help, Perhaps 30% every other day.
I would assume that as the JD was quite new to you, it probably came from the shop with the infection. Its worth having a quarantine tank set up for any new fish before introducing them to an established tank, that way if they have any disease you should be able to spot it within a few days without intoducing it to your whole fish comunity.
If you want to know the technical blurb you can look here.
http://www.skepticalaquarist.com/docs/health/ich.shtml
And don't worry, let us know how you get on.
 
I have never kept cichlids, but when dealing with ich I've always cranked the heat up to about 85 86 degrees and added some salt to the tank. I have also used copper in the past which worked real well, but after the treatment I had a hair algae explotion. Be careful if you raise the heat though, if the ich is a secondary infection caused by bacteria it will fuel the bacteria growth.


HTH,
Mike
 
Cat said:
Okay dont worry, every fish keeper comes across ich at some point.

Whew! :rolleyes: I'm so used to having goldfish, I didn't know what to expect from this type. I didn't even 'cycle' my tank, I just cleaned it, filled it with water, plugged in the foam,charcoal and ammonia and let it stand over night before I dropped these fish in. So tonight, when I get home, I'll begin the salt treatments. Since it's a 30 gallon tank, that would be 15 teaspoons of salt over the next few days then? Also, if I use salt, should I JUST use salt or can I go to Petland and get some ick medicine to use also? Is it either or?
 
Personally I stay away from the over the counter 'treatments' they are not nesasary if you follow the above rules. Plus some are very harmfull to some types of fish, they can harm your plants, dye sealent and rock work, affect the bio load in your filter causing a nitrate spike etc . . .
The reason you probably got ich is because you didnt cycle and so your amonia levels are high, plus your tank is a bit to small for those sort of fish so your putting a lot of stress on the filter.
Do you have a test kit at all?
 
jagarundi said:
Also, if I use salt, should I JUST use salt or can I go to Petland and get some ick medicine to use also? Is it either or?




You can use salt, most meds and high temps in conjunction with one another to help beat this. Check the label first to be sure.


High ammonia will not cause ich. Ich is a parasite. It has to be introduced to your tank via new fish, infected water or plants etc.
 
Sorry yes that was rubbish, what I ment more was it has probably helped with the spreading of ich as the more heavily stocked you are the easier it is for the ich to find a host in its free swimming stage which makes secondardy infections a lot more probable. The amonia spike would weaken the fishes immune system more to make them more vulnerable and even harder for them.
 
Cat said:
Sorry yes that was rubbish, what I ment more was it has probably helped with the spreading of ich as the more heavily stocked you are the easier it is for the ich to find a host in its free swimming stage which makes secondardy infections a lot more probable. The amonia spike would weaken the fishes immune system more to make them more vulnerable and even harder for them.


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Now when it comes to 'Salt' am I using table salt or a special aquarium salt? If table salt, does it have to be iodine in it or iodine free, plain salt?
 
personaly I have just used normal table sea salt. Just check it dosent contain anything else.
 
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