skimming as a cure for ich?

cpyne

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Hi everyone,

I am wondering if my surprising success with an ich infestation is due to my skimmer of ridiculous dimension. If so, this would be an important advance because most people say that only copper or hyposalinity works (both of which are a serious pain in the butt for a reefer).

I have a 72 gal overflow with 15 gal sump, and only filtration is a euro CS8-2 skimmer w/ oversized pump (this is rated for at least 200 gallons according to euro reef... probably 500 gallons comparatively) . There is no UV sterilizer or ozone. I am a newbie, and added a very young hippo tang without quarantining it first (very dumb, but not very uncommon I hear). The other inhabitants are 2 clowns, mandarin goby, cherry red shrimp, sebae anemone, trumpet coral, snails and hermits. The fish diet consists of 24-hour seaweed clip, spirulina brine shrimp once a day, and green hair algae.

Tank paramaters: ammonia 0, nitrite 0, nitrate 7ppm, SG 1.024, pH 8.3, Ca 420 ppm

The tang's case of ich appeared after a few days and went from mild to very severe over the next two weeks, and this happened when I was turning the skimmer off some of the time. (some experts recommend this, but now I am afraid to do it).

Anyway, a few beneficial things happened around the same time. I left the skimmer on continuously, I started putting garlic in the food, and the hippo and cherry red shrimp made friends. I'm sure the success is due to some combination of these events, but it was remarkably fast (48 hours from horribly ich covered to almost entirely ich free). For all I know, the ich will come back as fierce as ever in a few days... I will keep you guys updated about that.

In principle, skimming seems like it would help remove the parasites during their vulnerable swimming stage, especially being a huge skimmer. Unfortunately, due to the other two variables, I have no real scientific evidence that skimming is responsible, but I wanted to float the possibility.

It could be that all you need is a shrimp with an appetite for ich. But then everyone would just do that instead of using hyposalinity, etc...

My theory is that it worked because there was a measure of control for multiple stages of the ich cycle. A shrimp only does so much by itself, and overskimming only does so much by itself, but they have synergy. To include frequent vacuuming of the substrate might be the trifecta.

Yay or nay for the theory? Or, is my celebration just way too premature?

Sorry for the long post!
 
I would definitley think that it would prevent ich, but I don't think that once its on the fish it would cure it.
If so, this would be an important advance because most people say that only copper or hyposalinity works (both of which are a serious pain in the butt for a reefer).

Increased temp. and FW dips also work.
 
I'd hope that you are right and it's not just a case where the ich had completed the adult stage of it's life cycle and reproduced. If that was the case you'll know in a week or two if you have a mass out break. It's also possible that the tangs immune system kicked back in after it recovered from the stress of introduction.
I hope your right but, I'm afraid that I am.
Please keep us posted. \
max
 
Skimming may remove the ick parasite from the water when it enters the skimmer, but the problem is that ick parasites in juvenile stages live on substrate until they are ready for a host (one of your fish) considering the number of them, it impossible for your skimmer to remove them all. QT is the way to go
 
update

yeah you guys are right, it seems to be entering a new cycle... he has a new batch of tiny white specs on him. At least it hasnt spread to any of the other fish. Ill try garlic every day for a couple days but I expect I will have to go with the quarantine after that. He is certainly acting healthy, and I am still hoping he will just fight it off. The guy at the LFS says it is not uncommon for them to build up immunity after a while...
 
When using garlic, make sure it doesn't get dilluted. If you are using frozen food, don't mix it with tank water. Put the cube in a glass and put 2 drops of the garlic on the food. Mix it up good once it thaws out and feed directly to the tank.

Good luck as well!
 
he was a good fish

The tang I was talking about has died this morning. I am so sad. He was great even though I only had him for 3 weeks... so much personality. Probably it is the ich that did it, but also there was a three degree drop in tank temperature last night (everything else is fine at least). I know I am probably not sounding like a good aquarist by this point... My heater was set so that it heats until the temperature gets up to 80 degrees, and then stops. For some reason it let the tank drop to 78.5 last night and wasnt even on when I woke up! Now it is on, but I guess I need a more reliable one (I suppose its internal thermometer is crappy... its probably kind of old, as I got it used with the tank). Any suggestions on a really good heater? Are there digital heaters?

I am not going to attempt another tang. After a few weeks, I will look for some very hardy type of fish. Maybe a yellowtail damselfish or royal gramma.

Suggestions for the proposed fish are welcome also. The other criteria are that it must be colorful, playful, and does not hide during the day. If it eats green hair algae that would be a bonus but by no means necessary. Basically I want my hippo back :(

I hope it is not irreverant to talk about a new fish in the very obituary of my deceased fish.
 
Sorry to hear that.

I wouldn't go with a gramma, they can be hard to get eating.

Maybe a reef-safe wrasse? They are really colorful and active.
 
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