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"I,d ban SW"

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I'd bet more FW species are disapering than sw
Its sad but with time we will learn how to save our reefs with the knowlage gained buy advadced hobbyists at home research.
Plus think how many thousands of rivers and lakes have been RUINED with the weeds we like to call aquatic plants.If you wanted to outlaw something plants should be the first to go.
Or howbout cats they are killing off songbirds like they are going out of style.
BTW over 75% of rock corals and fish were captive breed I cant say that about my fresh water tanks.
 
Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
Pirahana are illegal in many states, yet poeple own them. If you really want them, its possible to get them.

Ferrats are illegal in California. You cannot buy them or have them as pets. YET, you do see "how to care for Ferrets" books in the pet stores. Local vets are also willing to take care of them if they are sick.

Some Laws are meant only for the "common" fishkeepers that are irresponsible and dump them in a lake. I think professionals like us, are able to keep them.
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SLip: Where in this statement do I advocate breaking a law? It doesnt. This website (I believe) and you (I know) are in the USA. The United States of America stands for freedom. I have a freedom of speech. Because you are a new mod on this board does not give you the right to step on these rights. There is nothing illegal in what I stated. If you decide to continue this harassment, legal action will be taken. Thank you.
 
JBW,
It would seem that you were advocating breaking of laws. I understand that your intent may have been to just mention that it is possible to illegally obtain and maintain certain types of pets, but why would you feel it necessary to even mention that fact? The case is, if snakeheads are illegal to obtain and maintain, they are illegal to obtain and maintain. I don't see how it needed to be said that going outside the law to do so is a possibility. We should work within the laws of the U.S. to try to lift the ban on snakeheads, but advocating (or seeming to advocate) breaking current statutes does nobody any favors when it comes to challenging them in future if lawmakers are of a mindset where they don't want to encourage currently illegal behavior by suddenly legalizing it. Again, I understand what your intend may have been, but understand that it can be read in a different light, and that your statement, whether advocating illegal possession of snakeheads or not, was neither necessary nor deemed proper.
 
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SLip: Where in this statement do I advocate breaking a law? It doesnt. This website (I believe) and you (I know) are in the USA. The United States of America stands for freedom. I have a freedom of speech. Because you are a new mod on this board does not give you the right to step on these rights. There is nothing illegal in what I stated. If you decide to continue this harassment, legal action will be taken. Thank you.
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This was clearly stated to you when you registered.

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Further, you are certainly allowed your right of free speech. But it is this boards right to disallow any post they deem fit to be removed or edited.

Im opening the thread back up, this better stay inline or its getting locked for good.
 
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Originally posted by OrionGirl
For example, HI allows collection of fish, with permit. I believe rock, sand and corals can't be collected--or even owned legally--in HI. Ask Reefscape if you're interested.

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I believe your allowed to collect fish, and 1 cup of sand a day. or something like that. But your right, you cannot collect LR or coral.
 
A law should be based on merit. Just because one person released it in the wild, does that mean it must be taken away from everyone?
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its not just one person, its ALOT of stupid people doing it. everyday. with alot of exotic species.

you should do some research into the environmental impact of exotic species on our natural resourses. i wont score alot of brownie points with some people, but i support the ban. the potential for substantial damage to our own ecosystems and natural resourses is there, and as much as i dont like the government getting involved in any of my own interests, i feel the need for them to step up and take measures is substantiated(sp).

If you want a MORAL law.. I vote for a law against saltwater fish. I will never have a saltwater tank for this reason. Its immoral and cruel. Unlike the snakeheads dilemna.
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the introduction of exotic species isnt immoral??? the decimation of our own native species isnt cruel??? im not real sure i follow your train of thought. this issue and the collection methods of SW species are two entirely different matters.

the snakehead is an awesome predator and, being an angler, id love to feel one on the business end of a good fishing rig, but not in this country. you cant pass a law to limit who is able to buy what kind of fish the same as you cant limit who is able to buy what kind of car. there's always gonna be boneheads out there to ruin it for those more responsible. i this case, i think its better to err to the side of caution.
 
Any "professional" aquarist who wishes to foot the tab for the Maryland clean-up (several million dollars) is more than welcome to do so. My taxes are quite high enough already, and the state deficit is massive.

They were far from the first, and certainly will not be the last, fish to be banned due to careless dumping. It has been no more than a day and half since dumping was suggested in a thread on this board.

"Professional" - LOL!
 
I owned a cayman croc for 3 years It was to scary to keep around my babys so I phoned around No one would take or put it down for less than $200 so I placed an add for a good home found a guy who wanted it he housed 4 large snakes and many reptiles he bought the 220g to house him all the right stuff to keep it happy then I let him have my croc.Two months later on the 6pm news there is my croc in a lake and a story about the scared local residents and the closed public beach.:(I procided to call the DNR and tell them who let it go in to the wild they wanted to charge me as well as the guy who I gave it to?
The moral the croc should not have been avalible legally @ the local DNR should take some responsibility-help with disposal of unwanted pets if they dont want them released most who keep exotics cant find a home for big ones and dont have the heart to put them down so they relese into the wild.
 
The law is a protective law. Just like the 4" rule that was enacted for turtles who where sold as hatchlings and lived in a bowl. People just didn't know how to take care of them and led to the spread of salmonella due to sanitary reasons. Now the law is pretty much outdated because of the strides the hobbists have taken to learn about how turtles need to be cared for. For every one person that knows how to properly care for a snakehead there are probably 5 that don't or won't. I would rather not be able to purchase these fish than see them abused then abandoned.

I think it is a good law until education catches up with everyone in the hobby. I don't think people are intentionally trying to do bad they just don't know. Who knows, this might actually help people learn how to care for fish better by bringing this subject to light.
 
FWs UNITE!

it seems i've struck a nerve here. i certainly did not intend on such a heated discussion. i do agree w/ jiggerpolebill:
i support the ban. the potential for substantial damage to our own ecosystems and natural resourses is there, and as much as i dont like the government getting involved in any of my own interests, i feel the need for them to step up and take measures is substantiated(sp)
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we have a responsibility to our environment and the natural systems w/in it. mankind's disruption of ecosystems has been the source of many tragedies throughout history.
with that said i do ALSO agree with BluEyes:
Remember, they didn't just ban the species of snakehead that was released, they banned the whole blasted family! If I'm remembering classification correctly, that's basically like banning Tetras, or Barbs of all kinds...
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the law needs to be revisited to include only those posing a threat. most species of snakehead could not survive a winter if, unfortunately, they were released. I AM NOT ADVOCATING RELEASING ANYTHING. HAVE NEVER RELEASED ANYTHING. WILL NEVER RELEASE ANYTHING. it's morally wrong. but there are many species of snakeheads that aren't lake decimators if someone were ignorant enough to do something stupid. i've got my eye on the Parachanna insignis, brown snakehead, from Africa. at 16" it's not a tankbuster.
http://www.aquariacentral.com/species/db.cgi?db=fresh&uid=default&ID=0598&view_records=1
if we want the recognition and presence the SW community has established we must be INVOLVED. SO FWs COME OUT. SPEAK OUT. contact your state representatives. let's get a more sensible law so i can have my brown snakehead.

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