The problem these days are if you "over correct them" then you are a child abuser, but if you sit back and watch them, then you're an easy going parent "no wonder they turned out like that". Catch 22 aye. I'll say this, I'm 50 and my Dad is 74 and if to this day if I would do something like that, lord help me. I would get an a!@ wipping from him even at his age. Thanks Pop.