To All People Planning Reefs or FOWLR

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were not really talking about the organisms on the rock (although the organisms play a HUGE part in it) were talking about the rock itself, reefs make there own rocks that takes litterally centuries to create like once decent sized piece rock. Then it is chiselled out, taken to someones house, kept there until the person doesnt like the rock any more, then at some point the rock is left out of the tank, dried up, then just thrown away, at least you could put it back in the ocean! It is possible hammered down even more to rubble and that way it will be thrown out faster or something.

How many people do you think return there live rock to the respectful owners, the ocean?

Not enough life on aquacultured rock? Un-proven but if there isnt as much life, too bad, live with it, its life, respect our earth and out earth will respect us, dont destroy it since you think destroying nature has more benefits than making your own stuff. There are a lot more benefits to using aquacultured rock than regular live rock since we need to think about real reefs more than our mini-reefs in our living rooms. How do our mini-reefs benefit the world? Do they filter our ocean? Do they help with an eco-system, no, they are to our benefit and to nothing elses benefit. Buy aquacultured rock, buy tank raise/tank bred fish, buy aquacultured corals, and find ways to help the place you live in, our planet. I find taking live rock from our reefs very selfish but it is an IMO. The price difference is pretty much nil, they cost the same.
Same Price, Same job, one is more environmental.

If there are other alternatives to taking live things from nature, always take advantage, especially if they are the same price, if there is an alternative to paper rather than cutting down trees, and costs the same as normal paper and is just as good quality, there is no doubt i will be using that as well.

Like cars, unleaded and diesel gas cars have low gas mileage. Hybrids have high gas mileage. They both do the same thing (looking on ordinary street cars not big semi-trailers and stuff), but one is much much much better for the environment (and for your wallet). They are both similar prices at the beginning, with hybrids having a much less price in the long run, Which one would you chose?
Same Price, Same job, one is more environmental.
 
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Second hand live rock from reefs is not as bad as rock fresh from the reefs. So second hand live rock IMO is similar to aquacultured BUT still not as eco-friendly as aquacultured.
 
I think that this ended up being something it shouldnt have.....

Dumping rock in an area that previously had no natural reef there in the beginning probably didnt have too much bio-diversity. Introduce a fake reef and BOOM life appears that wasnt there before.

Think of farming....Barren fields=no return on the land. Farm the land and all of the sudden it becomes a bountiful resource.

Same in the ocean but its not "land" farming its "ocean farming"

Im pretty sure that the biological impact is probably next to nil. If you can contemplate the reasoning that when providing a suitable enviornment for organisms that they can grow in, that they will indeed grow in that habitat, man made or not.

Hopefully, and Im pretty sure it is, these farms are in areas that dont compete with other natural reefs.

Im sure that thats the point being raised here right?
 
live rock farms, like tampa bay for example, puts there rocks around ocean made live rocks, they use that ocean made live rock to seed there man made rock. It is not in a real reef but it is put on a place where it can be seeded with reef life. Farms are also put in places were reefs are possible to form (low pollution, temp is good etc) which then again is pretty near a reef itself.
 
What about Canadian stores? :silly: :silly: :silly:
 
well you just find yourself some second hand rock ok :headshake2:
 
I think, given an ideal world, we would all do our bit for the reefs...However, we live in a world of choice and options. Through our lives we all do our own bit for the enviroment in one way or another, however, if someone chooses not to, should the enviromentally freindly route be forced at them or forced down their throats? Answer is simple...NO...

We choose to get rocks direct from the reefs, we choose buy second hand rock..Its all about choice. Everyone knows about aquacultured rock, but some of use choose to not go down that route because we want the real deal, we want the rock that has come from the ocean..

One thing a thread should not be, is an enviromental crusade. Options are available to us, we make the choice, not have the choice forced on us. A thread should be mearly a tool to let people know of a different route, but not use that tool to push an issue or say this is the only way forward which is the feeling i am getting that this thread is become.

Niko
 
Both types of rock is the real deal, they both come from the ocean, and they both come from reefs, just one reef is important to the ocean, and the other reef is not.
 
they use reef rubble to seed it, wait 5-10 years and the base rock they put in becomes a reef. Its the same way how we as hobbyists mix live rock with base rock and in about 1-2 years time the base rock turns to live rock. Take a look at tampa bay saltwaters website, theres a video somewhere on there reef, also take a look at there rock, it has reef inhabitants on it (ricordeas, sponges, urchins, gorgonians). It is a reef.

If the ocean needs more reef it will create it (albiet at a very slow pace) the reefs we make arent important to the ocean since the ocean itself didnt make it. But the reefs we make are important to us. Sort of like if we make it, we own it, if the ocean makes it, the ocean owns it.
 
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