To All People Planning Reefs or FOWLR

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lol, we put base rock near reefs, the reefs seed the base rocks, the base rocks turn into live rock, we harvest our live rock but dont harvest the reef rock that seeded our base rock. Make sense yet?
 
I'm kind of lost. I see that you are trying to convince people to buy more environmental friendly live rock, but it shouldn't be forced on the person. It is not like we are just destroying this rock, we are keeping rocks in our tanks and are preserving a little bit of the ocean ourselves. I know that most people in this hobby care for the ocean, and would do a lot to help it. However, I am confused to the degree where we are hurting the ocean. I can understand we take thousands of fish, coral, and tons of live rock, but how much of an affect is it doing?
 
atnixon said:
I think, given an ideal world, we would all do our bit for the reefs...However, we live in a world of choice and options. Through our lives we all do our own bit for the enviroment in one way or another, however, if someone chooses not to, should the enviromentally freindly route be forced at them or forced down their throats? Answer is simple...NO...

We choose to get rocks direct from the reefs, we choose buy second hand rock..Its all about choice. Everyone knows about aquacultured rock, but some of use choose to not go down that route because we want the real deal, we want the rock that has come from the ocean..

One thing a thread should not be, is an enviromental crusade. Options are available to us, we make the choice, not have the choice forced on us. A thread should be mearly a tool to let people know of a different route, but not use that tool to push an issue or say this is the only way forward which is the feeling i am getting that this thread is become.

Niko
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SuperScro said:
I'm kind of lost. I see that you are trying to convince people to buy more environmental friendly live rock, but it shouldn't be forced on the person. It is not like we are just destroying this rock, we are keeping rocks in our tanks and are preserving a little bit of the ocean ourselves. I know that most people in this hobby care for the ocean, and would do a lot to help it. However, I am confused to the degree where we are hurting the ocean. I can understand we take thousands of fish, coral, and tons of live rock, but how much of an affect is it doing?
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I agree...this is what i have also, as others have been wondering..Dont know if the thread is just being confusing or its me...

Niko
 
SuperScro said:
I'm kind of lost. I see that you are trying to convince people to buy more environmental friendly live rock, but it shouldn't be forced on the person. It is not like we are just destroying this rock, we are keeping rocks in our tanks and are preserving a little bit of the ocean ourselves. I know that most people in this hobby care for the ocean, and would do a lot to help it. However, I am confused to the degree where we are hurting the ocean. I can understand we take thousands of fish, coral, and tons of live rock, but how much of an affect is it doing?
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There is no way to tell the exact effect but at the declining rate the reefs are in without harvesting rock, why should we help it WITH harvesting rock? If we stop we can find out what effect it gave. But it is a fact the reefs are declining, so we shouldnt help speed it up.

And to all people who talk about the force down the throat and everything, its ok, its an opinion, but it is MY opinion to make aquacultured rock the ONLY type of rock we are allowed unless we already have the wild harvested rock. If i had any control over it, i would ban the harvesting of wild live rock the same way florida banned there harvesting in the caribbean and gulf of mexico.
 
ok, as i have mentioned once already, lets not have this as an enviromental push please, we each make our own decisions and have to respect eachothers and not keep pushing an issue.

Thanks

Niko
 
i was just showing my opinions, and showing your opinions, i am not saying your opinions are wrong end of story, i am saying i disagree with your opinions, there's a difference.
 
musho3210 said:
How many people do you think return there live rock to the respectful owners, the ocean?
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I would certainly hope that number would be zero... not only is that very often illegal, to return items that have been in an aquarium to the enviroment, but that is a very good way to introduce non-native species (for example, a non-native disease strain that the fish aren't used to fighting off)... Does that sound enviromentally freindly to you?
 
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