My rock looks as though its growing hair if you know what I mean. Peppermint shrimp are pretty much worthless or its just the ones I buy. Joes Juice won't do it. It seems like that stuff is a ferilizer for apstasia itself. I have tried nearly all other than buying a Copperband and I'm worried that they would end up dying since they are hard to take care of. I'm this close to pitching my rock and starting over but with the price of rock today that would be expensive. So what does kill that crap out??? Would a Copperband do it or would that be a BIG gamble?:swear: