zeolite as filter medium...

dave76

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I have been fighting an ammonia battle, I have chloramines in the water. I read on here that using zeolite after using water conditioner was suggested. I was wondering should I use it only temporarily? If so how long? I am using tetra aquasafe water conditioner.
 
Have you tried switching to Amquel? It binds the ammonia as ammonium, which is non-toxic to fish, but available to bacteria. You'll need to check your test kit--I can't recall which is which, but some of them do not differentiate between ammonia and ammonium, resulting in false positive results.

I'm not a fan of chemical filtration, simply because it can reduce the bacteria population, and if you don't replace it as needed, you can have problems (IMO--not documented, I'm just not trusting!).
 
dave, when you break up the chloramine, your biofilter should be eliminating the freed ammonia, turning it to nitrate within the day. Are you sure that your positive test results for ammonia aren't false-positives? You need to be using an ammonia test with two reagents.
 
I am but my ammonia seems to hang around .25 ppm and .50 ppm I have two penguin 330 filters attached one with established biowheels, and another with fairly new ones, filter is about a week and a half old. I use the doc wellfish test and it has two solutions that it uses. I cannot buy another test kit at this time. I was hoping that I could use the zeolite to quell the ammonia or at least keep a surge under control.



Originally posted by wetmanNY
Chloramine is a molecule of chlorine and ammonia that is more stable in the water mains than simple chlorine. That "chlorine" smell in your tapwater doesn't tell you which your utility is using. Go to their website and find out!

Twice the dose of your usual dechlorinator (sodium thiosulfate) breaks the chlorine-ammonia bond of chloramine, freeing that NH3. You want to bind it immediately, because it's toxic. Ammonia-adsorbing zeolite in the filter will be good, or zeolite products with names like "Ammo-Lock"

There have been many thousands of aquarium fish deaths in the US as we've switched to chloramines in the last decade...

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1262&highlight=zeolite

quoted from this thread, is the reason I was asking about this.

I also have plans to remove an UGF from this system as well. AFIK it is not toxic, I did the UGF removal test and there was no black sludge in it, but I want to make sure that I have enough time to perform this removal and I dont want to stress my fish too much, maybe I will have time to do it this weekend.
 
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Has anyone prefiltered their treated tap water with zeolite "before" adding it to the tank? Just a thought. A small, internal filter(filled with zeolite) dropped into the bucket of treated water would work great. I've often wondered about the build-up of nitrates in tanks when chloramine treated tapwater was used when making water changes. In a planted tank, where nitrates are desirable, this shouldn't be a big deal, but in fish-only tanks how would you control the nitrates other than using RO water? I would imagine this to be a bad thing in saltwater and reef tanks, especially. I guess it all would depend on the actual amount of nitrate being produced from the nitrification of the ammonium after the water is treated with the water conditioner in relation to the amount of nitrates removed from the water change. Would this amount of nitrite(from chloramine) be considerably less than that which is being removed from water changes? Probably so, since the fish and organics within the tank are also adding to the total nitrate concentrations...doing the water changes is, more than likely, reducing the over-all nitrate concentration, even though ammonia/nitrate is "added back" during the water change. Seems that prefiltering the water, with zeolite beforehand, would eliminate this issue, without having to use it in the tank's filtration system.
 
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