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Luca Brazzi
06-01-2003, 2:58 AM
In my 75 gallon drilled acrylic tank with internal overflow, I decided to build and install an undergravel jet system to create water movement in the tank (see http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/ug_jets.php).

This does work well for keeping things strirred up, however, as with most things there are tradeoffs. The major tradeoff that I have noticed with having an undergravel jet system is that unless you are an advanced Mathematician, well versed in the Theory of Chaos, and are able to calculate the precise jet angles and pressures, and angle the jets just right... there is no way you can have an undergravel jet system that does not adversely effect the flow of debris into your filter.

When my UGJ's are on the visible debris in the tank is constantly moving and the currents formed by the jets keep the debris from getting sucked into the overflow. When the jets are off, and things are relatively stable in the tank, the overflow can suck in debris from as far away as 15 inches.

I even rerouted the blast from the sump return jet to point straight down into the tank so as to not cause lots of current on the surface. This allows the return to be the major source of movement on the surface of the water, and anything within its reach now gets sucked in.

So... what I would add to the article above is that IMHO, the best of both worlds would be to have an Undergravel Jet system with some form of timer on it so that it would come on for 10 or 15 minutes, stir things up, then turn off and stay off for a couple of hours to let what has been stirred up get sucked into the filter.

beviking
06-02-2003, 11:30 AM
Very interesting Luca. Do most people that use UGJ set-ups have overflows? Do you think that a "typical" inlet from a filter (canister or HOB) placed strategically would work better? The UGJ on a timer sounds like a good idea to me, though I've no xp with one.

Luca Brazzi
06-02-2003, 12:21 PM
Its hard to tell if some other filter type would work better. All I know is that when the jets are on, there can be a piece of debris less than an inch from the overflow intake and rather than getting sucked in... it will get caught in some jet caused current and float away. I guess this would occur to some degree no matter where the intake to the filter was located.

125gJoe
06-02-2003, 2:35 PM
Originally posted by Luca Brazzi
......So... what I would add to the article above is that IMHO, the best of both worlds would be to have an Undergravel Jet system with some form of timer on it so that it would come on for 10 or 15 minutes, stir things up, then turn off and stay off for a couple of hours to let what has been stirred up get sucked into the filter. Great idea! I will do the Under Gravel Jets if / when I get another tank. The Discus I have now would not appreciate the extra flow...... But, some other cichlids would...

Also, thanks for posting that website - I 're-bookmarked' it.. :) As it seems like they added stuff to the project.

Luca Brazzi
06-07-2003, 1:38 AM
One more observation ...

Debris in a tank that is in constant fast motion, makes the tank "look" more dirty than debris that is motionless or moving very slowly.