My Filtration Mistake is Killing ME- I need advice

Jamie

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I couldn't sleep last night do to a bad decision in regards to my tank setup. Here is my story... I purchased a 150g with a nice hardwood stand and canopy. I opted for the wet/dry filtration system...some said that it would be fine, others said to go with a canister.....I found out that wet/dry = BIG MISTAKE..... Well, last week I installed the plumbing under my tank for the wet/dry sump. After about a week of my tank just sitting there I finally got to putting in water last night. I turned on the pump and was astonished by the excruciatingly loud noise of the overflow and sump..not to mention how much the water was being agitated (potential to gas off CO2). I was devastated. I have spent so much time planning for this tank, researching lighting req, substrate, ferts, press. CO2 injection, aquascape, plants etc. that this screw up is killing me. I ended up modifying the over flow with Durso Stand pipes which reduced the noise, but not nearly enough. The whole flitration set up seems to be a flop in terms of what I intend to use it for - a serene planted tank. On top of it all, I paid an arm and a leg to have holes drilled in the bottom of my tank and to have corner weirs installed.

Well, I've come to terms with the fact that I have to suck it up, cut my losses, and consider it an expensive lesson learned. I should be able to return the sump - it's a standard item from the tank manufacturer, but the tank is probably mine forever...since I had holes drilled and weirs installed...I created a "custom tank" designed just for me. I still have 4 days to return my sump's return pump to Big Als ($160). I figure I should exchange it for a quality canister filter...which I know nothing about and am running extremely short on time to make a decision. I guess I can still make use of the weirs to hide my heater and pH electrode (currently in the sump). I may even be able to put a CO2 reactor in one of them.(Hidden is good) I will have to cap the four holes drilled in the bottom rear corners of my tank and live with the fact that they are pointlessly there.

Pls pls pls, if anyone has any suggestions as to what I should do send them my way. I really need some emergency insight on canister filters. From what I've read Eheim is a good brand. 80Gal Joe once recommended a Filstar 4. Maybe the Eheim 2028, or is the 2200 series better. Should I get a filter that is rated over the gallon amount I need? One reminder - the tank is 150g, intended for heavy planting.

Thank You all soooooo much.
 
Don't give up on it yet! My hubby has a 120G overflow tank with the sump underneath and it is quiet, I am sitting about 5 or 6 feet away from it and I can barely hear it. The CO2 is at a good level. The plants have done very well. I will get him to look at your post and give you better answers. I just wanted to let you know it can be done. (He's working nights right now so it might not be till tomorrow that he answers)
 
If you decide to go with a canister, Eheims are great filters and are very nearly silent. Fluvals and Filstars both have fan bases, but I think the consensus is that Eheims are better and costlier and it becomes a question of whether or not they're worth it.

If you decide to stick with the sump, tinkering may help. Lots of folks have them and are happy with them. I'm not one of those folks (canister, Eheim), but I've looked into them and its always seemed to me that there was a certain amount of tinkering and adjusting to be done. Hopefully some of the more expert sumpers will wander along soon and help you sort things out.

A more specific description of the racket may help them when they do come by. I have, for instance, seen several ideas for correcting gurgling standpipes. You might also want to bang around in the salty section or at (the unaffiliated) ReefCentral. Salty folks often have more experience with running big tanks, overflows, sumps, etc. You might also swing past the very expert crew at AquaBotanic. They know many things…
 
I know many of the plant experts seem to swear by sumps... So I'd sure get over to www.aquabotanic.com and look at their forum for some help. I know the moderator of one of their forums has a whole diary on there about his 100 gallon tank which is wonderful. He had the bottom drilled so presumably it's using a sump? Look in the DIY hardware section there for the diary by James Hofteizer.
 
Well it took me about 6-8 months to figure out on how to keep my co2 in my tank and keep the tank nice and quite. I do have a over flow style tank. I found that I was loseing my co2 in the overflow because of the cascading effect of the over flow so I first chocked back the drain valve to raise the hight of the water in the overflow to about 1-2" from the top that quitened up the gurgle noise and wow over night mp ph was down to 6.9 from 7.6. But I didn't like the fact that my drain valve was choked back ( because if somthing got caught in the valve boom the tank would overflow. I extended my drain line up and put an elbow, a tee, and another elbow down then my sponge filters on there so in efect my sponges were pointing down ( like a big upside down u) thats when it started making lots of noise. I found that if on the tee you just place a cap with a very small hole drilled in it there is enuf air getting buy to break the suction but yet you have free flow and no chance to overflow your tank( and as fore noise I have my tank within arms reach from my computer and the cpu fan on my computer is noiser than my tank. If the water level gets to high it will cover the small hole and creat a syphon effect and suck that water down so fast and rest itself. As for a noisey sump there are a couple of things you can do
1 if it is a mechanical noise try placing the pump on a thin peice of foam and using flex PVC pipe for your discharge( or in my case I had a realy noisy pump and I chucked out the door and bought a new one:) )
2. If it a water gurgle in the sump try placing some filter floss just above your bioballs it will sofen the sound and no big water sound.
Ill try to get some pictures of my over flow up on my site I think the ones there are old now and I'll place a link here

Don't give up its worth keeping the sump and keeping all your gear hidden so you can have a nice "clean looking" tank with just Fishes and plants:D
 
I thought this guy had a useful silencer modification of a Durso. Its included in the plans for my next setup, haven't tried it yet.

This article also had some good bits on quieting different aspects of the system, although I don't personally care for the ball-valve idea. If you ask "Whats the worst that could happen?" and the answer is "Very bad things" then its an idea that needs reworking IMHO.

HTH
 
Dabbler,
If that's a siphon over the side, a self starting overflow box with the silencer mod linked above would be a safer bet. Very similar idea.
 
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