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mtdewlover
09-11-2003, 4:00 PM
I have a 29 gallon tank with five african cichlids. Two yellow tailed violet cichlids and three red zebras. I HAD a pleco and I gave it away. I don't like them and I don't want one. But, I have algae in my tank now, not a lot of algae but enough to want an algae eating fish. What fish will eat red/brown algae that my cichlids will not have for a snack????

My b/f has cichlids and has Siamese algae eaters and they do great. But I don't think his cichlids are as fiesty as mine are. Do you think a siamese will work??

Thanks
alicia

demon_surfer
09-11-2003, 7:04 PM
didnt you ask this question once already and recieve an anwser?

the last time.. (http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=15697)

mtdewlover
09-11-2003, 10:15 PM
I did ask this question once before thanks. I thought maybe a little more info would help since someone asked what kind of fish. And all I got was get a pleco. And notice I said I don't want one. So, I thought I'd post again and maybe other people who haven't read it and are nice could reply. So....since you read it once no one asked ya to read it again. And this board is for people to get help and that's what I'm trying to do. Thanks


:D

demon_surfer
09-11-2003, 10:35 PM
I anwsered you before and didnt tell you pleco.

i told you your cichlids will eat the algae.

but if you want some more suggestions -
chinese algae eater
siamese algae eater
apple snails
just about any malawi cichlid
bristlenose

valerie
09-12-2003, 12:32 AM
With malawi cichlids its hard to get an algae eating fish as africans can be quite aggresive(especially in small tanks). SAE wouldnt' be a good choice for an algae eater if you are looking for a fish to clean glass and rocks, as they are more designed to eat hair algaes(they don't have sucker mouths) and they will most likely get picked on. Snails are also not going to do too well as Mbuna can eat snails(atleast mine have eaten my snails). Your best bet is to jsut leave the algae and let your mbuna eat it or get a bristlenose pleco. But since the pleco is out of the question. I would just turn the lights off when not actually looking at the tank.

Why is it that you don't want a pleco?How much algae are we really talking about? Some algae is good, makes it look more natural, gives the fish some food. But if you have tons then somethign is out of balance and needs to be fixed, getting an algae eating fish wouldn't help much in this case.


oh and your violet fish with yellow fins is most likely a Pseudotropheus sp. "Acei"

mtdewlover
09-12-2003, 7:41 AM
I don't like plecos I think they are scarey. I had a large one but my cichlids still picked on the poor thing and that is why I gave it away. My algae is one my decorations and spotted on the sides of my tank. it's not horrible but it does look bad. someone suggested certain types of ottos. would they work?

demon_surfer
09-12-2003, 8:18 AM
otto's are bite size snacks to mbuna.

just a little notice, bristtlenose are not like common pleco they stay much smaller.

I have a chinese algae eater with my mbuna thats something you can try.


or you can just get an algae scraper.

VoodooChild
09-12-2003, 1:43 PM
Get an algae scraper or get over your fear and buy a bristlenose pleco. I've used those before and males can be especially tough. I'd put in a small cave though so anything you do have can get away if it needs too. I think an algae eater would get its stomach ripped out before the first night. Just a thought though. And an oto would not only get eaten, but would probably push those sharp little pectoral spines through the throat of you fish, killing the cichlid as well.

valerie
09-12-2003, 7:34 PM
If the algae is just on decoration and the glass i would suggest using a razor blade to clean the glass and jsut taking the decorations out and scrubbing them.

Mbuna tanks aren't good places for algae eating fish. If you were to ask this on a african site they would tell you the same thing, BN plecos are about your only bet. ANd since your other pleco already got picked on any new fish you add(including a BN pleco) will most likely get picked on too.

Best choice is an algae scrapper and some elbow grease.

mtdewlover
09-14-2003, 9:23 AM
Another question. If my cichlids picked on my huge pleco wouldn't they just eat a small bristle nose pleco? This doesn't make sense to me. They'll try to eat that pleco, and other algae eaters but a bristlenose pleco is ok? :confused:

demon_surfer
09-14-2003, 11:28 AM
bristlenoses are very spikey :)

valerie
09-14-2003, 12:30 PM
ANd since your other pleco already got picked on any new fish you add(including a BN pleco) will most likely get picked on too.Best choice is an algae scrapper and some elbow grease

That is why i said get an algae scraper. SInce you fish picked on your other pleco the probably will pick on a BN pleco also. But BN plecos are usualy recommended as algae eater for african tanks as they are smaller and can hide better then big common plecos. They also have spines to protect them but so did your other pleco and that didn't help him.

If you don't have plants and the algae is on decoration and the glass jsut clean it off.I have a 90g african tank and it gets alga all the time. I jsut scrape it off the glass with a razor and that it. I leave the algae on the rocks of the africans to eat(plus it looks more natural).

t_h_e_s_a_c_k
09-14-2003, 6:40 PM
no ****, just get one of those magnetic algae scrapers or something. nosense putting in another fish if its just going to die or be miserable... i have one and it works great...

scholar
09-14-2003, 9:49 PM
Well, let's do the important things first. The tank is too small for your fish as is!

I would trade the zebra's and get some saulosi's or electric yellows. The best is to go to 100gallon tank size, or at least to 50G.

Either way, I have rubber-lip plecos, max length 5 inches (Petsmart)for 50-150 g tanks.

Petsmart has dwarf plecos which max out at three inches for 20-50 g tanks.

Fora 20g tank, I would get german rams for soft water and dwarf tanganicans for hard tap water. :)

Best of luck,

mtdewlover
09-15-2003, 11:38 AM
So you think my tank is too small for my fish? They have been in that tank for a long time. Like a year and a half. They have grown a lot but they seem happy. Why do you think it's too small???

stoopid
09-15-2003, 12:10 PM
Originally posted by mtdewlover
Why do you think it's too small???

Has a lot to do with the aggression of the fish too.

I could squeeze 10 Oscars into a 30g, but as they grew and their waste production increases, etc, it will become more and more likely they will fight and become sick (from stress and poor water quality).

Most cichlids require some swimming room, many of the semi-aggressives require 3 feet or more tank length for 'prowling'. Any shorter (yours is only 30" long I believe) and they will eventually feel trapped off and could suddenly become aggressive toward their tank mates to 'make room.'

At least this is my understanding.

demon_surfer
09-15-2003, 12:23 PM
what kind of africans do you have? im going to guess malawi because they are the most common.

if that is true then they get to be 4+ inches long each. 5 will be a bit crowded in your tank eventually.

please tell us what kind of africans you have.

farli
09-15-2003, 12:44 PM
in my 55 gal i have an albino oscar and 2 plecos (small, like 4 in) ands a 6 in chinese algae eater... Ivory (My oscar) picked on em, cuz they ran, but then she started to leave them alone...I thought plecos were scary at one time and was told the need lots and lots of room... When I got my first tank i got the smallest pleco i could find...she is now over 2 and a half and is still in my 20 gal comunity tank, happy as can be...but the 2 in my 55 gal are getting big...they like to play (seriously...) they will chase one another and then relax and "cuddle" and sleep together...I now love plecos...

mtdewlover
09-15-2003, 1:06 PM
I have three red zebras, one male two females. And two yellow tailed violet cichlids one male and one female.

valerie
09-15-2003, 3:58 PM
Mtdewlover- Did you look into your violet yellow fish being a Pseudotropheus sp. "Acei"?

5 mbuna wouldnt' be too bad if you had say 5 electric yellows as they are one of the less aggresive africans. The fish you chose can be aggresive especially in a smaller tank such as yours.

Here is a cookie cutter page tha tmight help yo usee what you could possibly have in a 29g http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/cookie_cutter_29g.php