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Visualeyes2
12-17-2002, 1:29 AM
How much salt should I add to a 90 to treat HITH? I have 2 oscars and 4 silver dollars in there.

Tiger15
12-17-2002, 12:32 PM
I don't think salt will help. HITH is associated with only soft water fish like Geophagus, oscar, gourami, angel, discus and pike ciclid. I have never heard of HITH affecting hard watter fish like African and CA Rift lake cichlids. Adding salt will increase the mineral contents and may worsen HITH.

O-man21
12-17-2002, 5:58 PM
I used it once on my oscar. It didn't help at all. I would reccomend a ptoduct called "Ick Clear" its' safe for everything so you don't have to worry about dead fish.

JacksontoKobe
12-17-2002, 6:00 PM
Ick gaurd for HITH wow thats new to me.

O-man21
12-17-2002, 6:10 PM
oh, sorry. I wasn't thinking. I meant "Paisite Clear", it's made by the same brand.

rus
12-18-2002, 6:41 PM
Originally posted by Tiger15
I don't think salt will help. HITH is associated with only soft water fish like Geophagus, oscar, gourami, angel, discus and pike ciclid. I have never heard of HITH affecting hard watter fish like African and CA Rift lake cichlids. Adding salt will increase the mineral contents and may worsen HITH.
i had a midas that had all the outward signs of hith. i assumed it was hith it looked just like any oscar or discus that i have ever seen with hith. it is now gone and all the sores have healed over.

Tiger15
12-18-2002, 11:06 PM
I have seen many Red Devel and Blood Parrot in LFS but have never seen one with HITH. The complete recovery of your Midas apparent HITH may suggest they aren't because HITH is often irreversable; only to stop from getting worse by improving the water quality. So those lesions in your Midas could be scratch marks or injury. If they are indeed HITH, then it sould go into record.

rus
12-18-2002, 11:26 PM
im no expert and i cant say for 100% sure that it was hith but it looked exactly like it. i didnt have a camera when i first got her so i have no pics of what she looked like when i first got her. i doubt they were normal scratches because it took me 9 months to heal them. also it was starting to affect the lateral line.

wayne
12-19-2002, 10:19 AM
I'm not up to date - is hith an actual diesease (hexamita) or is it a symptom? In marine fish hith is just a symptom, usually of bad feeding and neglect of water conditions, and is pretty reversible. Is this true.
Either way I find it hard to believe salt is going to help - if it's hexamita, get a hexamita cure. If it's neglect, improve conditions

RTR
12-20-2002, 12:20 AM
Actually Wayne, it is both plus dietatry in FW most often. Inadequate diet and polluted water provide a double whammy setting the fish up for opportunistic infection for agents such as hexamita. Cure and recovery require major handling changes, and may or may not require meds.

Tiger15
12-20-2002, 10:48 AM
Here is an article on HITH http://www.duboisi.com/diseases/hith.htm
There is no conclusive explanation on what caused HITH. Hexameta was once blamed for the desease, but it is now believed to be present by oppotunity after the pits were formed. So eliminating the Hexameta may have no effect on HITH. I have a strong belief that HITH is species specific, because some cichids, such as African Rift Lake cichlids, never get it. They just die from bloat or other deseases if the conditions were wrong.

Faramir
12-20-2002, 11:44 AM
Concur with RTR. My acara got slight HITH when the substrate was mucky. New environment for him, better conditions, and the HITH was in remission immediately, with no meds required.

mosammy121
12-20-2002, 12:02 PM
just my 2cents-ime salt helps,i can only go by my exp. w/salt and diseases so please (no flaming).
when my carpenti came up w/these tumor like white fuzzy growths (looked like cauliflower(sp?)and everyone said it was untreatable and that eventually he'd die.so i went ahead and used the salt for a lil over 3 weeks and BANG!!! it shrunk,it was clearing up :D he's still alive and no signs of that disease since.same thing w/a blood parrot that started growing something similar all over his body and his fins were rotting the salt cleared it up in 4 weeks.i don't use meds AT ALL i just stick to my water changes and salt routine(i put aquarium salt in once a month)
my point is something about the salt helps cure imo most diseases.