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BluEyes
12-12-2003, 1:47 AM
Okay, got a wierd thing going on with a cichlid here. He/she is definately a mbuna, and I'm pretty sure the cichlid is an I. Sprengerae, no clue on gender, about 3-3.5" long.
The only tankmate is another african. We *thought* we were buying another I. Sprengerae, but are 99.9% sure we were wrong now, since they look nothing alike now that they aren't at the LFS... The tankmate is still unknown, and is about 2" long.
They are both in a 20 tall with lots of algae-covered rocks and regular water changes, etc. Yeah, I know they should have a larger tank - that's coming sometime soon, but the two don't seem to squabble too much and are both out and about the tank often.
Anyways, on to what's up. I noticed today that the first fish looks like it has something stuck in its mouth. The corners of its lips are pushed out, and the 'chin' is protruding compared to normal. The fish IS conatantly re-arranging the gravel in the tank :rolleyes: , and I was concerned there might be a piece stuck in its mouth. So I netted the fish (boy, he/she loved that!) and gently opened its mouth some to peer in. I saw what looks like a group of round lumps along the bottom of the mouth. Nothing looks red or inflamed, just a kind of even light fleshy color everywhere.
Then tonight when I fed them, the fish was hanging back about at mid-water when it is usually up at the surface pushing the smaller one out of the way for the food. When a pellet would float down, it would kinda move towards the pellet, but instead of eating it, would stop right about at the point where you'd expect it to suck the pellet in, and then back away a bit. The fish let several pellets go by like this, and didn't eat a single one.
Well, those are the symptoms - any ideas? Are these guys mouthbrooders? Any change those were eggs? If they aren't, what can be done about those lumps in the mouth?

JSchmidt
12-12-2003, 8:00 AM
Sounds a bit like she's holding eggs...

Jim

SayersWeb
12-12-2003, 9:42 AM
Originally posted by JSchmidt
Sounds a bit like she's holding eggs...

Jim Yup! The bulge under her mouth will grow even bigger soon once the eggs hatch.

valerie
12-12-2003, 1:40 PM
Yep, sounds like she is holding. Her throat should look like it is getting bigger over the next few weeks.She also won't really eat during this time. IN about 21-28 she should release the fry. How long have you had them? You either got lucy and got a male and female or she was already oldingwhen you bought her.

BluEyes
12-12-2003, 3:14 PM
I've had her several months now, lost track and my aquarium log is at home (typing from school now)
so, maybe these are mutt cichlids, because while the other fish could be a male (hey, 50/50 odds, right?) I'm really pretty sure they aren't the same species...

guess I'd better put some foam over the filter intake soon to keep the little ones being slurped up!

JSchmidt
12-12-2003, 3:18 PM
I don't think I've ever had trouble with mbuna fry getting sucked into the filter. They stay pretty close to mom until they're bigger... it won't hurt to cover the intake, but I'm not sure it's necessary.

Let us know how the babies turn out! If they are mutts, please be sure they don't make it into the pet trade!

Jim

sunnygirl
12-13-2003, 12:47 PM
hey, congrats. i have to wonder though, how the heck did you get her to let you open her mouth when she's holding? i have two females holding right now, and a third is ready to spawn anytime soon. my dominant male is a real cassonova;) ! i think mine are mutts too, i'm not sure what any of them are. but i do know that they're all mbuna. good luck.

mtdewlover
12-14-2003, 10:31 AM
Sounds really familiar. My b/f has yellow labs and they have had baby twice and one more batch on the way! :) So they defiantly could be eggs but I dought it. Keep on eye on it to see if it eats. But here is what happens to my fishy. He is a red zebra, a fiesty one at that. He love to rearrange gravel as yours does. The gravel was kind of big and he too would get that going on with his mouth. The mouth would be out of shape and his chin would be swollen and the usual pid he is didn't eat. I found it's because he moves the gravel around so much. He's fine, it goes away and he'll eat in the next couple of days. That's what happens to my fish, sounds like that could be whats going on with yours.

mtdewlover
12-14-2003, 10:32 AM
Ok, I missed the whole she is holding eggs part. :rolleyes: Go me. Disregaurd my first post then. Congrats!

marsupialvomit
12-14-2003, 10:59 AM
I agree with Sayersweb

Slappy*McFish
12-14-2003, 7:18 PM
:rolleyes:

BluEyes
12-15-2003, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by sunnygirl
I have to wonder though, how the heck did you get her to let you open her mouth when she's holding?

Just netted her, held the fish and used a fingertip to gently pull her lower lip down a bit.

I was afraid that she had gravel stuck in her mouth as well as first, that's why I netted her. If I'd been sure it was eggs, would have left her alone.

On the positive side, my g/f reports seeing her 'fanning' the eggs, kinda opening and closing her mouth to get water flow over them.

barbking
12-14-2004, 5:52 PM
Hello
My parrot seems to have the same symptomes your fish had last year, with the rock in its mouth. Has your problem been solved? My parrot is alone in the tank I don`t think it could be eggs. Hope your have an answer for me I`m quit worried.
Thanks

BluEyes
12-15-2004, 12:52 PM
Yes, mine definately had eggs. She is alone, but has had several sets of eggs since. Doesn't eat for awhile, but I figure if she is having eggs, she must be healthy anyways...
If you feel comfortable doing it, what I did was to net the fish and carefully use the tip of one finger to pull her lower jaw down a bit. The eggs were yellow/orange colored.

valerie
12-15-2004, 7:38 PM
Parrot cichlids aren't mouth brooders(atleast i dont' believe they are) so i dont' think your fishes problem is that it has eggs in its mouth.

Can you see if anything is stuck inside? can you describe it's problem better?