Holy Elephantnoses

[agilis]

Egyptians, ancient or otherwise, did not worship Mormyrid "elephant noses". This notion seems to be a combination of superficial information and wishful thinking. The dynastic era religions were complex. It was common in ancient Egypt to ritualistically preserve many creatures as part of that society's obsession with the afterlife. Very old Cat mummies, carefully wrapped and prepared, can be found by the thousands in many ancient burial sites in Egypt. All of them had their necks broken, and most were kittens. They were probably bred for sacrificial purposes, as tomb offerings. Fish fall into the same category.

Another thing: deification of fish is silly, as is attributing high levels of intelligence to them. Mormyrid big brains are almost certainly the result of specialized electrosensory function, not cognition. I am very fond of my two elephantnoses, but I don't think they are geniuses. It's true they can play chess, but I beat them 9 games out of 10.

Finally, I think self-appointed experts should work on developing a little humility. Individual differences among fish belonging the the same species can be remarkable. To brand as "WRONG" such things as the very real chemical sensitivities of most elephantnoses because some function in high nitrate situations makes no sense. Diet preferences are variable, age and experience related, and affected by a lots of other variables, many of which can only be guessed at. One of my elephantnoses eats only worms and brine shrimp, while the other enjoys burritos and Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

[JohnMemorialHS]

:confused: and :D

[OrionGirl]

Lovely...Really. You're invited to speak at the next Common Sense Orators convention.

:)

[firetank]

i can hold my breath for 72 seconds :D :D

:rolleyes:

[JamisonBWolsh]

I am sorry to step in to disagree with you. Im not sure about the other egyption sects. However did you even attempt to READ the articles I posted? Everything I mentioned in my articles is correct about them.

http://www.aquariacentral.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=1934&pagenumber=1

Reread the first page in the thread. I researched this intensively and found out that they did worship this fish.

"The fish was sacred: the Egyptians adored the Fish-God Mormyrus (cult centre -> Per-medjed); the Greek settlers after Alexander's conquest adopted the sacred animal alongside their own gods. Thus the Fish-God survived until the Arabian conquest"

"definition from www.dictionary.com
Sacred fish (Zo["o]l.), any one of numerous species of fresh-water African fishes of the family Mormyrid[ae]. Several large species inhabit the Nile and were considered sacred by the ancient Egyptians; especially Mormyrus oxyrhynchus"

"Did you know that some mormyrids were sacred to the Egyptians and were taboo as a food? Thousands of mummified mormyrids have been found, especially in the nome of Oxyrhyncus. This is the fish that swallowed the wizzer of Osiris when he was bobbited and it was thrown in the Nile..."

Check it yourself. Check it yourself. I don't make stuff up.

I don't have to.


NOW if you dont believe me, research yourself...




Ps. How big is your tank to handle 2 elephant noses? Sorry..they dont eat snacks and they cant play chess...If they beat you in one game...well then...that must show something about you???

[TIMO]

You are a hoot! LMAO

[firetank]

JBW steps in, in record time....
this'll be a 40 poster then...

no editing please...

:D
:rolleyes:

[JamisonBWolsh]

well.. truth is truth. There are many sources backing up my information (as well as fish members on this board). RESPECT the power of the elephant nose :) or for your lack of faith you will be struck down! Infidel! :)

Ps.. why would you start another topic, when another was already started?

[agilis]

Sorry JamisonB, but you are

WRONG.

Everything you posted is not correct. In fact, some of it is

WRONG.

I suggest you consult sources beyond the internet, if you want to explore Egyptian/Kemetic religous beliefs. The list of sacred items in the ancient Egyptian world is endless. For example, mummified cellphones were and still are adored.
The topic is too vast in any event, and has nothing to do with aquaria.

I started a new string because this string is about foolishness, not fish.

My first Enose is in a 46 gal. planted aquarium, with a couple of dozen tetras. Enose #2 is in its own 20 gal. tank. I stopped by my local shop two months ago, and saw a tank filled with Peterson's E noses. They were only $6, and I could not resist the one tiny guy, under 2 inches, that was being attacked by the other much larger Enoses, nasty brutes that they are. I put it in the 20 gal I use as an isolation tank, and it has prospered. I am teaching it calculus, and trying to break it of its addiction to chocolate.

[JamisonBWolsh]

I dont know how to respond to that??? Your saying Im wrong about the religion of the elephant nose..yet i have proof behind what im saying....and what do you have? Just words of air I think.

And all this mocking of the elephant nose from a guy that keeps one in a 20 gallon tank (way to small). Why do you fear this religion? do you have something to hide?
Please post your "proof" that the egyptians didnt worship them.


Dude, just open your DICTIONARY and look under "sacred fish". Your answer is there....

"considered sacred by the ancient Egyptians; especially Mormyrus oxyrhynchus"

[JamisonBWolsh]

some of my "proof":

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/9202/info/permedjed.htm

dictionary.com
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Mormyrus%0D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20oxyrhynch us

should I go on?

[jiggerpolebill]

Hindus hold the cow sacred, but they dont worship it. Christians hold the Cross sacred, but dont worship it either. holding something sacred and worshipping it are two different things.
does the "E" in MENSA stand for elephantnose?

[roper930]

I believe u mean ENCYCLOPEDIA..... *%!2*@!


mumble, mumble, mumble.......twitch, twitch.....

Beth

[agilis]

Well, JB, I looked in several dictionaries, and found no entries under "sacred fish".

It appears that, once again, you are

WRONG.

JB, you can worship Enoses if you wish, I don't mind one little bit. I only ask that you accept responsibility for this new faith, instead of attributing its origins to the Egyptians. Look, they have enough problems over there as it is.

I'm sure you can get plenty of converts. Try wearing a big rubber banana nose and a grey body suit, and passing out literature in health food stores.

[JamisonBWolsh]

another Link:

http://realmagick.com/articles/99/399.html

enough?...shall I continue..

[JamisonBWolsh]

I dont worship Elephant noses. Its just Egyption history. Still waiting for your "proof" elephant noses wasnt worshiped by the egyptions...

I copied my links... your turn... So who is wrong? you perhaps?

[JamisonBWolsh]

check a "REAL" dictionay perhaps? not your 3 inch seven eleven copy...

[roper930]

Again, ENCYCLOPEDIA...........A dictionary defines INDIVIDUAL WORDS....

Dear God! .....twitching some more.....mumble, mumle....

[jiggerpolebill]

youre using info from "Real Magick - the Occult Library"? maybe the guys in the "Heaven's Gate" cult kept elephant noses as well. just before they checked out for the meteor.

"Fishes were often regarded as unclean animals which were forbidden as offerings and food to kings, gods and the priesthood. When the cult of Osiris became popular, the fish was identified with Seth, as, according to Plutharch people believed that the fish form lepidotus had eaten the phallus of the dismembered Osiris. Therefore, on certain feast days fishes were burned and trampled underfoot as an offering."

sounds like these fish are sucker fish. c**ksuckers at that!

[slipknottin]

Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
I dont worship Elephant noses.



Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh

Hey queen, want to start this religion up again and WORSHIP our elephant nose? Hehe

:confused:

[JamisonBWolsh]

Originally posted by jiggerpolebill
youre using info from "Real Magick - the Occult Library"? maybe the guys in the "Heaven's Gate" cult kept elephant noses as well. just before they checked out for the meteor.

"Fishes were often regarded as unclean animals which were forbidden as offerings and food to kings, gods and the priesthood. When the cult of Osiris became popular, the fish was identified with Seth, as, according to Plutharch people believed that the fish form lepidotus had eaten the phallus of the dismembered Osiris. Therefore, on certain feast days fishes were burned and trampled underfoot as an offering."

sounds like these fish are sucker fish. c**ksuckers at that!

nice.. you forgot the rest of the SECOND paragraph: here it is:

The opposite also existed, fishes were regarded as sacred animals: despite the belief of the above, the oxyrinchus was considered Osirian, and said to have been created out of the god's wounds. This fish was also connected to Hathor at Esna and the Abdu or Abydos fish accompanied the solar barque and warned of the hostile Apophis serpent.

Oxyrinchus is Mormyrus

this website took the info from the following one:
http://www.philae.nu/PerAnkh/perankhM.html#Mormyrus

[slipknottin]

so wheres your proof that they worshipped them?

Ive never seen any elephant nose temples.

[JamisonBWolsh]

did you read the links..proof is in there. Read on, my fellow fish keeper

Now you give proof they werent worshipped..

[agilis]

Why do you attack my 7/11 dictionary? Are you some kind of elitist snob?

Actually, I looked in the Oxford English Dictionary, but no luck. There seems to be a lamentable lack of topics there, only word definitions.

One cannot "prove " a negative. Logically impossible, if you think (!) about it. "Prove that the French do not worship bananas! Go ahead, prove it! Where's your proof?!" See how silly?

I loved that last site you posted, especially the parts about astral projection and tarot reading parrots.

PS: my Enose sends his regards, and wants you to send him some chocolate-coated frozen brine shrimp, as an offering.

[slipknottin]

there is no proof they were worshipped.

there are only comments like this


The opposite also existed, fishes were regarded as sacred animals


Lots of things were sacred to the Egyptians, it didnt mean they worshipped them.

[jiggerpolebill]

ive re-read your links and i dont see any statements in them that specifically say that the actual fish itself was worshipped. it doesnt mention any sacrifices being offered up to this fish or any other methods of worship. no examples of the fish blessing its followers in any way either. its simply held in very high regard with respect to some religion. its no different than the cow or the Cross or the Star of David, etc. etc.

[JamisonBWolsh]

Just read all the links.... one from
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Mormyrus%0D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20oxyrhynch us (Reliable) another from http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Cyprus/9202/info/permedjed.htm
(reliable)

did you EVEN read them?

Im talking to agilis .. he is the UNBELIEVER..

[slipknottin]

reliable? how so? the first one is a geocities page that anyone could make.

neither one says anything about the fish being worshipped. Thats as ridiculous as saying the Egyptians worshipped the grain because they had a god of harvest.

[jiggerpolebill]

yes, i did read them. did you? ALL of the article? not just the few sentences youre looking for to substantiate your claim?

"Oxyrinchus is Mormyrus" you said.

wrong. here's whats said in the article you linked to:

"Oxyrhynchos is an Ancient Egyptian provincial capital 125 miles south of Cairo & 10 miles West of the Nile (modern Behnesa). "

youre not even spelling it right. its a city. not a fish.

and youre other link is the same information, verbatim. you can hardly list two sources if they say the exact same thing.

[JamisonBWolsh]

yes...anyone can make a geocities website..but the author gave his sources..



yes..its ALSO a city...

[slipknottin]

Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
but the author gave his sources..






source, singular.

and try to find something related to elephant noses on the site he listed as a source.

[OrionGirl]

I doubt agilis is the only unbeliever around. He just has a better sense of humor.

[JamisonBWolsh]

"Several large species inhabit the Nile and were considered sacred by the ancient Egyptians; especially Mormyrus oxyrhynchus"
it IS a fish... also a city

[JamisonBWolsh]

check this statement from a website I found:

"Oxyrhynchus Fish Literally, 'sharp-nose': a local fish worshipped by the people of Oxyrhynchus as their patron deity. Genus is Mormyrus: the sharp nose, soft and fleshy, is for poking around in the river mud for food"

is this proof enough yet?

Are you guys just jeolous that your "oscar" isnt worshipped or even held SACRED? I showed you my proof and you still fight on

[slipknottin]

what the heck is a "mormyrus oxyrhynchus" ??

[JamisonBWolsh]

slip: its a type of elephant nose.

"The purification itself is dedicated to the local god of Wensy (Per-Medjed, or classical Oxyrhynchus). The mormyrus fish symbolizing the god of this town is often associated with Set, a god of confusion and masculine aggressiveness, the one called "Creator of Terror." Who better to overlook the stirring of strife than the Original Stirrer?"

another example from:


http://daily.kemet.org/2001_05_01_archive.html

[jiggerpolebill]

you havent shown me anything yet. im still an unbeliever. i hold the Bible sacred, but i dont worship it. where are your links to credible sources? then ill consider it.

maybe.


...not really.

[slipknottin]

where did you see that?

i can find no information about what it is.

[JamisonBWolsh]

so I showed not only proof of this fish being SACRED...but also WORSHIPPED!


The links are in the responses...cant your browser read it?


SLIP: here is a link to the Master list of Freshwater fish..its in there...

http://www.webcityof.com/miff1062.htm

[slipknottin]

actually the one quote you pulled that said that, you didnt provide a link. I still cant find what the heck a mormyrus oxyrhynchus is

[JamisonBWolsh]

here is the link if you cant link to the above link:


"The purification itself is dedicated to the local god of Wensy (Per-Medjed, or classical Oxyrhynchus). The mormyrus fish symbolizing the god of this town is often associated with Set, a god of confusion and masculine aggressiveness, the one called "Creator of Terror." Who better to overlook the stirring of strife than the Original Stirrer?"


http://daily.kemet.org/2001_05_01_archive.html

[jiggerpolebill]

the browser doesnt read. it only displays. im the one who cant read. how far down do i have to scroll to find your quote? hold my hand on this one. i need the guidance. and how can this be another example when this is the first post from his site youve mentioned?

[roper930]

.......Gnathonemus petersii.......
^
^
^
.....(*whispering* Psssst, that's an elephant nose....)

[JamisonBWolsh]

Jigger: does your browser have a HIGHLIGHT function? if it does just use the word "Oxyrhynchus" and it will take you to that quote.

If it doesnt, go to google and download a "toolbar" for your browser- very helpfull- it can hightlight words, translate to english and hyperlinks to the usenet/website/images/ search features. a truly nice addition

hey... 43 hits already...look what you started..

[jiggerpolebill]

youre taking "oxyrhynchos" out of context. what do you think was named first? the city or the fish???

read your own quote: "The mormyrus fish symbolizing the god of this town...."

TOWN.

again, where's the statement about direct worship to the fish? it's not the fish thats worshipped! the fish symbolizes the god!

[slipknottin]

Originally posted by roper930
.......Gnathonemus petersii.......
^
^
^
.....(*whispering* Psssst, that's an elephant nose....)

exactly... so what the heck is this fish the egyptians thought was sacred?

and if they thought this weird fish (even if it is an elephantnose) is scared, how does it lead you to believe your elephant nose is sacred?

They dont even have the same species name or anything.......

[jiggerpolebill]

i only know how to use "back" and "refresh". anything else is way out of my league.

[JamisonBWolsh]

Yes...fish symbolizes the god and they worshipped the fish for the god....



slip: Its in the same family, that species name was an example.

[slipknottin]

huh?

elephant nose = Gnathonemus petersii

mormyrus oxyrhynchus = :confused:

[JamisonBWolsh]

no. Elephant nose is just a "common" name it symbolizes All the fish in that family, INCLUDING the one we keep in our tanks..

[jiggerpolebill]

i think youre assuming too much on that one. you dont worship the icon representing the religion. that would be blasphemy. i dont worship the Bible. jews dont worship the Star of David. if the ancients had worshipped the rain instead of the rain god, the rain god probably wouldnt have done much for them.

[JamisonBWolsh]

My particular elephant nose is not sacred because its not MY religion. HOWEVER, your all welcome to come to my house and worship him/her if you want..beers on me.. :)

[JamisonBWolsh]

Originally posted by jiggerpolebill
i think youre assuming too much on that one. you dont worship the icon representing the religion. that would be blasphemy. i dont worship the Bible. jews dont worship the Star of David. if the ancients had worshipped the rain instead of the rain god, the rain god probably wouldnt have done much for them.


I like that one... :) Funny ... your right of course.. made me laugh though..

[slipknottin]

theres still no info on what Mormyrus oxyrhynchus is.

Oxyrhynchus was a town... and Mormyrus is the species name for elephant fish.

So its not a real fish? :confused:

So your saying the fish from lake tang that has the species name Mormyrus is scared also?

[JamisonBWolsh]

So the end result of this discussion is that they were held Sacred and not worshipped... just SACRED...



well.. BEING Sacred aint to Shabby :)

[JamisonBWolsh]

slip: only the Mormyrus that lived in the NILE. Which the "common" elephant nose as well as alot of the bigger ones live in..

[slipknottin]

where did you get that?

whats the species name for the "common" elephant nose anyways.

[carpguy]

Well, for reasons that still aren't entirely clear to me I went over and got the Webster's Unabridged down and it actually says (under sacred):
"sacred fish: any one of various fresh-water fishes of Africa; a large number of species, found in the river Nile, were venerated by the ancient Egyptians. Mormyrus oxyrhynchus is the best-known species."

There were also listings for sacred bean (the lotus nut), sacred beatle, and sacred baboon. So JB, you're right on this ONE point: its in the dictionary, at least some of them.

Animism, sacred, deity, venerate are also in the dictionary. I think there may be some confusion as to how the Egyptians thought of these fish and as to what constitutes a deity in an animistic religion.

You put up a hell of a fight though…

[slipknottin]

this fish here?

http://www.thetropicaltank.co.uk/Fishindx/elephnos.htm

which comes from Cameroon, Nigeria, and Congo?

[JamisonBWolsh]

Gnathonemus petersii is the scientific name of the "common" elephant nose- this is the one you can find at alot of the LFS.

However. the term Elephant nose can be used on different fishes in that same family. The one that egyptians found SACRED was the ones living in the NILE. Gnathonemus petersii was one of them.

Gnathonemus petersii lives in various places throughout africa, including the nile.

[slipknottin]

according to who?

[pinballqueen]

Okay, now that I've read all of this, I have a question....

Jamison, why are you arguing this topic so fervently? It is just a fish, after all. The majority of the ancient religions had icons, so just about any animal you can think of was considered sacred/worshipped/sacrificed or whatever....what makes the enose so different for you? Are you this fanatical about your chosen deity? (Not a knock, because I am about mine....) It seems like you are trying to get a rise out of everyone, and at this point you are beating a dead horse, er, fish.... We get it. The enose was sacred. So were the cat and the jackal. I understand. No further argument necessary.

On a side note, how did this whole enose thing go from a scientific discussion of intelligence in fish to a religious screaming match?

Just making an observation of the silliness of this whole thing....

[slipknottin]

If you look at a map, neither Congo, Nigeria, nor Cameroon are on the Nile river.



The Nile flows into Lake Victoria and into Lake Albert.

:confused:

[JamisonBWolsh]

Im not going to do the research to prove that also. I proved they are Sacred.

Slip: here is a link of scientific names and the common names of elephant noses...as you can see...there are MANY..

http://www.hippocampus-bildarchiv.de/html/en/zierfische/elefantenfische/elefantenfische/list_of_items.html



the reason why I am fervant about this cause is because slip and a few others doubted me...so I must stand my ground, right?

As for my religion, well..we can say that my parents hoped (and still hope) that I become more "religious"..but I am fine as I am...

[slipknottin]

I never replied in your other thread or doubted you here.

I just dont see the connection bewteen your elephant nose and the fish they thought was sacred in Egypt.

So what fish (species name)do you have Jameson? There is no proof that the fish you have is the same they thought was sacred.

Unless of course you are implying that all elephant noses are sacred.

[JamisonBWolsh]

I am not only suggesting but informing you that it would be all the elephant noses that live in the nile- the "common" one as well. As I said, I am not going to spend the time to research that as well.

[slipknottin]

i already brought up the link for you that said where the "common" elephant nose you have is from.

Turns out its not the Nile.

[JamisonBWolsh]

ANYWAY, I am going to be out for a few hours...so.....whatever you post against the idea of them being sacred will not only be responded to, but unequivically undeniable


Thats One link..I know a few that denies your link...... but I am not going to research that.

[slipknottin]

anyways, the Egyptians believed many large fish from the Nile were sacred. The common elephant nose wasent one of them.

Thank you all. Have a good night. :)

[jiggerpolebill]

the only thing you proved is that Mormyrus oxyrhynchus WERE sacred. but your argument was that they were worshipped by the ancient egyptians.

[JamisonBWolsh]

slip is incorrect... the "common" elephant nose was one of them... have a good night :)

[JamisonBWolsh]

http://www.mongabay.com/fish/mormyridae.htm


http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/mormyrids.htm

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/FamilySummary.cfm?ID=40


Long-nosed Elephant Fish, Elephant Nose, Peter's Elephantnose

Gnathonemus petersii (common elephant nose)

SYN: Mormyrus petersii, Gnathonemus pictus

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REMARKS: The Long-nosed elephant fish has an electrical organ which it uses to find its food. It's brain size to body weight ratio is higher than that of humans. Unlike man, it's cerebellum is larger than it's front brain. The Long-nosed elephant fish is used by water departments in the U.S. and Germany to test the quality of drinking water. When the quality of the water declines the amount of electrical pulses released increases. Since the Long-nosed elephant fish has very poor vision, it uses the trunk or proboscis to locate it's food. This fish was depicted in ancient Egyptian tombs, around 2500 BC. Always use a good water conditioner for this sensitive species. They are often intolerant of fish medications.
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DC: 5. This interesting species requires live foods and well maintained water.












All those links suggest that these fish can ALSO be found in the NILE. Also, all three are in ENGLISH..

[slipknottin]

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.cfm?genusname=Gnathonemus&speciesname=petersii

http://aquavisie.retry.org/Database/Vissen/Gnathonemus_petersii.html

http://home.online.no/~hotterho/petersi.htm

http://www.notcatfish.com/findex/fish/gnathonemus_petersii.htm



unless of course your common elephant nose isnt Gnathonemus petersii

and yes, i know two of the links are in other languages, but you can still read the countries there from and the maps.


and considering you just linked to a list of a bunch of different elephant noses, yet there is only one "common" one. that last link didnt provide any information. I know some elephant noses inhabit the Nile. Just not Gnathonemus petersii

[jiggerpolebill]

nothing sacred elephantnose related, but consider your "title" jamison.

"the man that cried wolf"

wasnt it a boy who cried wolf? and wasnt the premise of the story that the little boy was so full of **** that nobody believed a word he said?

just a thought.

[JamisonBWolsh]

http://www.mongabay.com/fish/mormyridae.htm


http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebIndex/mormyrids.htm

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/FamilySummary.cfm?ID=40

these links are just a few that mentions they can be found in the nile

[JamisonBWolsh]

Originally posted by jiggerpolebill
nothing sacred elephantnose related, but consider your "title" jamison.

"the man that cried wolf"

wasnt it a boy who cried wolf? and wasnt the premise of the story that the little boy was so full of **** that nobody believed a word he said?

just a thought.

Untill the third time...which was the truth...

[slipknottin]

your third link is about all the elephant noses, as is the first.


the second link however, says this
Gnathonemus petersii (Gunther 1832), "the" Elephantnose. The most (actually only common species, perhaps along with the "Baby Whale", West Africa, where it grows to some fourteen inches in maximum length.


The Nile is not in the West, its in the East.

[slipknottin]

Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh


Untill the third time...which was the truth...

nobody believed him the third time, and he got eaten by a wolf.

[bettaman]

You know what a real shame is? Chevy stopped producing the Camaro for 2003. I'm devasted.

Just a little humor for a serious thread.

[slipknottin]

Originally posted by bettaman
You know what a real shame is? Chevy stopped producing the Camaro for 2003. I'm devasted.

Just a little humor for a serious thread.

depressing isnt it :(

[pinballqueen]

Aaaaannnndddd....

There went the point. Did you see it?

:D

[Anton Wernher]

Actually no more F-bodies is great news... and on top of that the 2003 svt cobra is the fastest mustang ford ever produced. :)

[rjl420]

I can't beleive I wasted 10 minutes of my life to see the SAME 3 links posted over and over....



I want my ten minutes back!

[pinballqueen]

lol!!!!

oh, my side....:D

[firetank]

83 posts...

what was the question agaijn???

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[bettaman]

Originally posted by Anton Wernher
Actually no more F-bodies is great news... and on top of that the 2003 svt cobra is the fastest mustang ford ever produced. :)

Great news!? How dare you. I love mustangs too, but I haven't lost a battle with my '99 SS yet.

[slipknottin]

its not like Ford is making a cobra anymore, so i dont see why it matters. :)

[wetmanNY]

driving slowly past... What? all these flashing lights... all these patrol cars... these overturned semis... is this all? ...what, no blood on the highway?

[JamisonBWolsh]

Originally posted by slipknottin


nobody believed him the third time, and he got eaten by a wolf.

I actually remember that cartoon (from the story) It went like this:

1.A BOY was watching a flock of sheep.
2.He was bored and, as a joke, screamed "wolf!"
3.Townspeople came out and low and behold.. no wolf.
Time goes by.
At this point of the story, the boy has been told by various poeple (family) how wrong it is and not to joke about serious matters
4.He was bored again..and cries out WOLF!
5.everyone comes out to protect the sheep, no wolF!
6. The boy sees a REAL wolf and yells "WOLF" but no one comes out. He tries to convince people..but no one believes him.
7.) I forget the ending, buts its eithor, boys Favorite sheep gets killed by the wolf or someone else see's the wolf and yells wolf, everyone comes and saves the day.

Moral of the story. Never Joke about serious problems

[JamisonBWolsh]

This Thread is Now DEAD. OVER. The elephant Nose was not worshipped, However, they used him as a SACRED symbol of their God. What other aquarium fish can say that?

[slipknottin]

oh, your right, a bunch of the sheep get eaten...

but the moral of the story has always been "If you tell lies, no one will believe you even when you tell the truth."

[slipknottin]

Originally posted by JamisonBWolsh
What other aquarium fish can say that?

all the other fish they thought were sacred?

all the fish that other religions thought were sacred.


This Thread is Now DEAD. OVER.

excuse me? This thread isnt locked, nor has the original poster complained. :rolleyes:

[JamisonBWolsh]

Yes...or "take what someone else says not as a matter of fact but do your own research and learn from expeirence"

[JamisonBWolsh]

Originally posted by slipknottin


all the other fish they thought were sacred?

all the fish that other religions thought were sacred.





That made no sense

[JamisonBWolsh]

So ..were sheep killed? or was it his fav sheep killed? or was it just the wolf about to kill the sheep before the townsfolk come?

[slipknottin]

because they needed to do research about sheep? :confused:

[JamisonBWolsh]

Originally posted by slipknottin
because they needed to do research about sheep? :confused:

No..its a comparison for keeping fish...never take someones word and do your own research...

[slipknottin]

his favorite sheep was killed, then the story ends, no townspeople come.


Um, according to the definition that dictionary.com gave, most large fish in the Nile were sacred. Im sure somebody has kept some other large fish from the Nile (ie. RTCs). Im sure ther religions have had "sacred fish" also.

[JamisonBWolsh]

Originally posted by slipknottin
his favorite sheep was killed, then the story ends, no townspeople come.


Um, according to the definition that dictionary.com gave, most large fish in the Nile were sacred. Im sure somebody has kept some other large fish from the Nile. Other religions have had "sacred fish" also.

Yes..the large fish were mormyrids (elephant nose)
I do think the townspeople come and the parents say something and the end result being "I told you so"

[slipknottin]

i dont see where you get they were all elephant noses.



any one of various fresh-water fishes of Africa; a large number of species, found in the river Nile, were venerated by the ancient Egyptians

[JamisonBWolsh]

Originally posted by slipknottin

Um, according to the definition that dictionary.com gave, most large fish in the Nile were sacred. Im sure somebody has kept some other large fish from the Nile (ie. RTCs). Im sure ther religions have had "sacred fish" also.

Definition:
any one of numerous species of fresh-water African fishes of the family Mormyrid[ae]. Several large species inhabit the Nile and were considered sacred by the ancient Egyptians; especially Mormyrus oxyrhynchus.

in essence: OF THE FAMILY MORMYRID (elephant nose)

Family is Mormyrid
species is under this family

[slipknottin]

sorry, wrong dictionary. :rolleyes:

[JamisonBWolsh]

Right dictionary.com

check it out.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Mormyrus%0D%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20oxyrhynch us

[slipknottin]

Originally posted by carpguy
Well, for reasons that still aren't entirely clear to me I went over and got the Webster's Unabridged down and it actually says (under sacred):
"sacred fish: any one of various fresh-water fishes of Africa; a large number of species, found in the river Nile, were venerated by the ancient Egyptians. Mormyrus oxyrhynchus is the best-known species."

[JamisonBWolsh]

Sorry slip... I dont have a book to subsidize your claim. However you can check out my link which is 100 percent fact. How do I know he didnt "edit" it? Show me the link to your "source". Its yours to prove. I proved mine..

of course..I can say i have a book that says such and such....

[slipknottin]

its a dictionary man... you know, a book :rolleyes:


dictionary.com isnt infallable, why do you think it has a link to report errors in definitions?

just go to dictionary.com and look up microsoft.

[JamisonBWolsh]

whatever... I dont show you providing any links stating there are OTHER fish that are sacred in the nile..what are there names? If you cant provide proof... well, then...its just Hear say..

[slipknottin]

you cant provide any information that your fish was sacred because ive already proven that the common elephant nose does not come from the Nile.

I could care less about fish being sacred, i have better things to do than argue about what the egyptians thought was sacred. They thought cats were sacred too, guess everybody should worship cats too.

[TnCgal]

Is this the part when we are all supposed to raise our cyber beers and shout SALUD ?

You guys crack me up. If y'all are going to debate, then step up to the podium and debate and let's cut the crap.

This bickering has got to go. :mad:

[JamisonBWolsh]

So you cant prove your claim? Good. I can and did. The elephant nose WAS held as a SACRED symbol to a portion of the egyptian poeple. To say the "common" elephant nose is not found in the nile is like saying zebra mussels arent in the great lakes. Maybe a majority of the "common" elephant noses wasnt found in the nile, but they did exist in that river. Your sources didnt mention about the River Volter (begins with a "v" I know), and they lived wondefully in that river also..


No more bickering please slip...

[slipknottin]

points have been made. argue with yourself.

lol at telling me to stop bickering.

[TnCgal]

SALUD !

(Gulps and slams the mug down on the counter) NEXT !