Nutrient def., need guidance if Len or Barr are handy...(big pix, beware)

Timmain42

Disturbed Quasi-Genius
Jan 4, 2002
662
1
0
D/FW, TEXAS
www.xmenclan.org
Morning!

Here's what I have going on (descriptions first, pix last):

Tank____________________
12g NanoCube
10+ cups of filter sand
8 gallons actual water volume
3 wpg (24w 6500 PC bulb)
25w heater in "sump"
50% water change on Sundays, w/ 1 cap of AmQuel
KH=5
Nitrates=10ppm

Livestock_________________
7 "Glo-Strip" tetras
16 small-to-medium Amano shrimp
1 small cherry shrimp

Plants___________________
1 A. nana (petite)
1 A. nana (normal)
1 A. barteri
5 "pots" of Echinodorus tenellus, thin-leaf, all unpotted

Ferts and Nutes___________
3 fractured Flourish tabs
Daily (measured in drops)-
1 Flourish
1 Flourish Iron
2 Kent Iodine
5 Flourish Excel
Weekly@ water change(measured in drops)-
2 Flourish
2 Flourish Iron
4 Kent Iodine
25 Flourish Excel (as rec. by Seachem)

History__________________
I was growing R. indica and M. quadrifolia in this tank, but moved all those plants to a larger tank, and replaced them with the E. tenellus, A. barteri and A. nana (the nana petite was already in there). This replanting happened on Jan. 20th.

As you can see by the pix below, the E. tenellus is doing well, almost every bunch of plants has thrown off a runner or two, and new leaves are cropping up quickly. However...

The new leaves are much, much lighter in appearance. And while I expected them to be thinner than the old, emersed-growth leaves, they certainly don't have the same deep green qualities and appear to be fractured horizontally across the leaf growth.

I figure it's an Iron deficiency, so I have, in the last couple of days, increased the Iron input to 2 drops daily and 4 drops on water change. I would like your input, if you've got the time.


Thank you in advance...


The Pictures_____________________________

The Tank
flash.jpg


The Tank (no flash)
noFlash.jpg


Front Side
front.jpg


Front Side (up close)
frontClose.jpg


My biggest Amano
bigAmano.jpg


Images of runners and new, pale growth
runners.jpg

runners2.jpg

leafDifference.jpg
 
Last edited:
I also have E. tenellus and I with mine the submersed leaves are lighter and they also have the horizontal green fractures so I think that this is probably normal in E. tenellus. BTW I like the look of the green rock that you have in your tank. Is it just algae that is covering it or is it some other plant?
 
It's Texas holey rock that is lightly covered in algae.

I mostly wonder about the E. tenellus because I'm trying to get the "dark green w/ red stripe" look that is found in so many Amano pix:

28.jpg

40.jpg
 
Last edited:
They look very healthy, but they don't look like E. Tenellus to me. Too wide. There are so many pretenders that LFS's claim to be Tenellus.
I think that what you have is growing fine.
If you wrote it I missed it.......do you dose N and P at all?
Sounds like you are doing a great job, but lack balance which is probably causing the algae problem.

Len
 
Len-

I accept your ID, but that's unfortunate, considering where I got them. And no, you didn't miss it. I don't dose N (yet, readings@water change have been a consistent 5-10ppm) and hadn't planned on posing P 'cause it's a "low-tech."

Should I be dosing P? I'd think 1 drop @ waterchange and 1 more midweek would work, but.. it just seems weird. :shake:
 
Last edited:
You will not get red growth in normal E. Tenellus. The slight "fractured" look in the leaves is normal. I seem to recall, from a post on AB, that there is a version of Tenellus (or a very similar plant) that does take on a red tinge, but I believe it's a rare find. I'm sorry I can't remember the post...but try the search option :) Ghazanfar Ghori might know what it is. Also keep in mind, Amano's photos are very engineered.
 
I really laugh everytime I hear someone say Amano's pics are engineered... the guy has come to this country and lectured, and shown how he sets up a tank, he writes a column in the AGA magazine, he holds an international aquascaping contest with people all over the world duplicating his work, and yet some people still think his tanks are fake or something! The only thing he manipulates with photography is the background. Its done with a blue screen with spotlights behind it.

There is a red form of tenellus, but the red is very slight in color. It's somewhat rare, but its out there. There are different leaf forms of this plant, and it also depends on growing conditions.

Since you are in Dallas, you should hook up with the Dallas/Ft worth plant club. Good way to get free plants and free professional advice.

If what you got was potted, it was emmersed grown. hydroponic grown tenellus from Florida Aquatic nurseries. Their tenellus is a wider leaf. The thin leaf tenellus is imported into this country. thats what I have. Only the thin leaf becomes red, and it doesn't always. Some people think the red is a genetic defect.
 
Last edited:
How long has the tank been set up and when did you plant it?

The N is ok.....must be in the tap water, correct?

Len
 
AquariaCentral.com