I would like to do better - crappy plant growth

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Okay, I've been ignorant and lazy and the results are obvious. See my tank pic. It shows the aftermath of chemical warfare with an explosion of string algae. I couldn't remove it by hand as it uprooted plants. Some of the dead stuff still can't be removed. I'd like to try other things than starting over, as the fish seem happy enough. I just bought a test kit, here are the results:
GH (hardness) 11 drops = 196.9 ppm
PH 8.2
Nitrite 0 & Ammonia 0
I use bulk bottled water (haven't tested that yet) and don't know if I dare use tap water as we have a water softener that uses (I think) potassium (never salt). Our tap water, if it matters, is 17.9ppm
Oh oh, just tested the bottled water. Had I known what a ppm was, I could have just read the label - 220 ppm. Yikes. It explains alot. But what do I do now? Can I use tap water that's been chemically softened with potassium or do I need to balance things out with distilled water?
 
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You can do this

I remember posting about a year ago with long green stringy hairy algae. It was so long that where the goldfish swam through it, it was wound into dreadlocks! Oh man, I wish I had taken a picture!

Your water sounds a lot like mine, pH 8.2, GH 10 KH 8. Can you test the unsoftened tap to get complete water parameters? I did find that I had to add CO2 to my tanks to get my plants to grow, but I know people locally who do not and yet they still have nice planted tanks.

First, the presence of algae tells us that you can grow plants -- your lighting is probably about right. But, we need to know about the other nutrients in the tank.

Do you have any fertilizers? Any nitrate source? Potassium you can get from your softened tap water, it should be fine to use that, potassium is OK, high sodium is less desirable. You may want to get some unsoftened tap also, is that available at all? Phosphates are easy to find in several places, but you may already have some if you have pH reducing products. Or just get some from the pharmacy, but that is a bit later.

First, what is the light on this tank? What plants? What fish? What sort of chemicals have you been using in this tank? How big is the tank? Would you consider using CO2?
 
Hi there, I put the tank specs and a grotti pic of my tank in the "my tank spec" (sig), so I'll skip listing fish, it's a 20 gallon, 60 watts flourescent. I'd rather not add any more electrical items, so no CO2 if I can help it - good question though.
I haven't fertilized till now. I thought the fish load would do that, but I don't think I have enough fish. I did one dose of aquatic plant fertilizer from Kent (but don't have the specs).
About a month ago, I used something called Algae Destroyer at 1/2 strength. It didn't say it was safe for plants so I didn't want to overdo it.
I also used some of those fertilizer tabs under the gravel, but according to package it was a one month supply, and that was in November.
That's it for chemical.
As for the water softener, I'm happy to hear that I can use it. Unfortunately, I can't test the unsoftened water, I don't think our house has a bipass. If it's too soft, though, I could used the purchased water to balance it then.
I would like to know more about fertilizers, and do I need any other test kits than the ones I listed above?
Thanks.
 
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You have 3 watts per gallon, so the plants are taking in a lot of nutrients to fuel the growth the light is pushing them into. Were yo having any algae during November when the root fertilizers were effective? If that was working for you, go back to using that!

First, cut back on the light hours you are providing to 8 or 10 hours a day. Actually, you ought to go to 40 watts of light if possible to get the algae under control.

General concenses from the plant professionals (university biologists, etc) is that all algaecides hurt plants. So don't use that.

As for test kits, I use pH and KH -- that helps me monitor the CO2 I add, then nitrate and phosphate -- for I add both of those also. If you exclusively use root fertilization, testing the water column wo't do you much good, though ammonia, nitrites and nitrates might result from leaking root fertilizers, maybe, so once in awhile you may need to test for that, but using commercial aquarium root ferts isn't something I'd worry about, using Jobes sticks or similar, I'd be sure to test for when that stuff leaks you get a heck of an algae problem (solved by topping the gravel to seal it in and doing massive water changes to remove leaked nutrients.
 
soil tank?

is this tank using soil? or gravel?

Soil makes it another thing entirely, out of my expereince so far.
 
Just regular tank gravel. I don't deep clean it.
Glad I kept the algaecide to 1/2 strength, unfortunately, I can't remember November, but the string algae was a growing (literally) problem. Will try cutting back on the light. I was using all that light to get my plants to grow. Sounds like I should cut back until I get the parameters in line with a planted tank.
Thanks for ALL your help. Very nice.
 
OK, plain gravel, good to not deep clean it. You'd just stir up the fertilizers. Just sort of wave your hand over the gravel to fluff up any surface mulm and siphon that away.

Go back to adding the root fertilizers, if that doesn't correct some of the problem, you may want to add water column fertilizers.

Light drives the plants to grow. They will grow to the extent that they are able, being limited by nutrients, micro and macro fertilizers and carbon. In soil tanks the carbon is produced by the massive amounts of bacteria in the soil, in gravel tanks we get it from fish and mulm and carbon we add in the form of carbon dioxide, or Excel, or carbon from a carbo plus system or similar things.

When the plants stop growing due to exhausting somthing in the tank that they require for growth, then algae takes advantage of the nutrients that are left. (Over simplified and not exactly correct, but a reasonable start for understanding) Newly bought plants have a lot of stored fertilizers, but those get used up.

IMO, it is best to get started with lighting at about 2 watts per gallon. More than that and you really need CO2, at 2 or less, you may get by without it. But, even at less light, the plants will be much better with CO2. IME, it was the first thing I added to my tanks and it made a huge difference.

After light (and maybe CO2), then you want to test for nitrates, you'd like to have about 5 ppm or maybe 8 in the tank, never zero. Zero nitrates = algae in my tanks. The fancy goldfish hated nitrates, sulked when I added them, so I kept it really low and that tank was full of algae. Trace nutrients are important right fromthe start, try Tropica Master Grow or one of those types of fertilizers. Do this for maybe 3 weeks and keep records of how the tank looks. Trace fertilizers, 5 ppm nitrates, 2 wpg, and maybe CO2.

The Hagen CO2 system will work for that sized tank, look into it. It is really easy, no electricity, but the ladder is inside the tank, not that visible if you put it on one side or behind plants. $30 in the local store, less online even after shipping.
 
Thanks for all your help, and I'm printing it to hang onto.
I started with the easy stuff. Removed one light strip (the other is a double) and changed the timer to 8 hours. The tank is in a basement, very little natural light.
I did a 10 ltr water change with softened water, which took the hardness down from 11 to 9.
Tested my kitchen sink water, and lo and behold, it's on a bipass, hardness is 13 or 14 (started losing count).
PH of my tank is 8.2. PH of the sofened water is 7.8
Will have to find time to get to Big Als for the test kits (not available locally) and I will look into the CO2, as I forgot, in summer time, I put some fish to work at mosquito patrol in my container ponds, so I would think at least for the summer I would want to add CO2. There will certainly be a seasonal swing in fish load.
In the meantime, I'm reading, reading, reading, playing in the tank, and dreaming of how nice it will look some day. I hope I can post some 'after' pics someday.
Thanks for holding my hand. Now I'm off to read some more.
 
Did a 10ltr water change last night, and ph is 8.2/nitrates 0/gh 8 after adding 5ml of kent pro gro (contains nitrates).
Also added a layer of laterite to the gravel (yes, I went shopping) and some anacharis, and I couldn't resist a crypt.
I now have the C02 canister inject (not hagen) but I still need the kh test kit.
 
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