What is the easiest way to increase my pH?

jjmanes

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What is the easiest way to increase my pH? Currently it is 7.8 and I would like to see it between 8.0-8.2. I visited my LFS and they have some pH increaser but on the bottle it stated for freshwater tanks.

Thanks,
Jody

(55gallon, 55 lbs live rock, 2 turbo snails, 1 domino damsel, 1 blue legged crab, 1 clam, and many small snails.)
 
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Not baking powder! That is a blend of components that will make a mess of things. Baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) is a common component of marine buffers, and will work. Washing soda (sodium carbonate) will increase the pH more.
 
thats what i meant

washing soda will raise Ph, baking soda will lower it.
 
when I had a ph problem because of the local water being rather acidic I was told to use baking soda to raise the ph to closer to neutral for my freshwater fish. and baking soda is used in highschool chem experements to react with acids
 
Seachem makes a product called Marine Buffer which has served me very well.

If we're talking ad hoc substitutes for aquarium additives, check out the pool/spa chemicals and look for pH increaser. Many of those are pure sodium carbonate or a carbonate/bicarbonate blend.
 
Originally posted by johnnyxxl
when I had a ph problem because of the local water being rather acidic I was told to use baking soda to raise the ph to closer to neutral for my freshwater fish.

thats the difference. baking soda lowers Ph in saltwater.
 
Originally posted by johnnyxxl
when I had a ph problem because of the local water being rather acidic I was told to use baking soda to raise the ph to closer to neutral for my freshwater fish.



thats the difference. baking soda lowers Ph in saltwater


how does an alkali lower ph thats what an acid does? I am not trying to flame but trying to figure out how a chemical reaction changes when the componints are the same and the reaction is always the same. if something with I believe a ph value near ten, is used in any formula wether or not its salt or fresh water if the waters ph were say 6 or 7 and you want to make it 8 you ad said ph raising chemical ie baking soda or powder both of which are alkiline in nature both will have the same result raising the ph to a more base number a larger number if you want to lower the ph if it wouldn't hurt the fish you could use viniger which is around a 5 in ph scale.

Now if I am missing something in the basic understanding of this please clear it up and please tell me where to find the information myself to see the source. Mine came from my high school chem teacher and mister wizards world which used to be on tv back in the 80's
 
All right, it's time for me to remind myself of the chem 1 I used to tutor back about 100 years ago.

After looking at the Merck Index, I am afraid I have to contradict Slipknottin. It says the pH of 0.1 M solution of NaHCO3 is 8.3.

But let's be a little more general. There are bases and there are bases.

Strong bases, such as NaOH, dissociate more or less completely, generating a lot of OH- in solution, and driving pH way up. However, once dissociated, there's no NaOH left. So what? Well, say you add enough NaOH to have your solution at pH 8.2. What happens when you add acid? The pH drops immediately, i.e., the system isn't buffered. No reserve.

What about weaker bases, like NaHCO3 (sodium bicarbonate)? When you add it to water, it dissociates into Na+ and HCO3-. HCO3 exists in an equilibrium with H2CO3, such that HCO3- + H20 <-> H2CO3 + OH-. What the ultimate pH of the solution will be depends on the inclination of the reaction to go in one direction or the other. In the case of NaHCO3, equilibrium is reached at pH 8.3.

A very important point here is that the reaction does not completely go to H2CO3 + OH-. The means there will be HCO3- available to deal with added acids, i.e., the solution is buffered at about pH 8.3. That's what you're measuring when you measure alkalinity, how well the system can deal with added acid.

Other, weaker, bases will buffer the system at different pHs. For example, sodium benzoate will buffer a solution to about pH 8.0. So, even though it's a base, it will never be able to bring your pH to 8.2.

This probably makes no sense. I have condensed a few hours of lecture into a few paragraphs. The point is that you can add a base to your solution and it may not bring it to the right pH if you are using the wrong one. On the other hand, if you pick the right one, you can add all you want and it will just stabilize the pH exactly where you want it.

[but don't overdose bicarbonate or you will precipitate your Ca, but that's another story]
 
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