Shopping for First Tank

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Hey everyone. I'm new to the hobby and comming from a rural area I have very limited choices in petstores. I went to one of the three local stores yesterday to shop for a tank and supplies, but several alarms were going off in my head when I was talking to the salesman. Here are some questions that have come to mind:

1) The store sells tanks seperately and in packaged deals. I am looking for a 20-30 gallon tank because I'm a nOOb at this whole thing. The stores 29 gallon package its somewhere arround $260. This includes a basic stand, glass tank, filter,heater, 4 bags of gravel, $20 in fake plants, the top and lights (its like a half plastic holder & half glass), a vacume thing, and maybe a testing kit i think. Does this sound reasonable?

2) I've read on here that the gravel at the bottom of the tank should be ~ 1 in? The I asked the salesman if the 4 bags would be enough to give me a good 1in of coverage and he said, "No, more like 1/4 in. Thats really all you need. Just enough to hold the plants down." Comments?

3) In his sales pitch he said that tank maitnence was only a montly thing. This seemed to be way off from what I've been hearing on here. The board makes it out to be more of a weekly if not daily schedule?

4)When he said that $20 of fake plants is included I asked if I could use that money for real plants instead and he told me that "You shouldn't use real plants from the start. Its better to cycle the tank first and then put them in." This seems to be contradictory to what I read in the plants forum. From what I've read it seems that cycling is made easier by having the plants in the tank. I'm not interested in any major highmaitnence planting schemes just some lowlight plants.

I have some other questions in mind but I'll wait to hear responces on this to see what my next questions will be. I know that my intentions with the tank will be a factor in the answers so here goes. All I'm planning on is a 20-30 gallon freshwater lowlight planted tank with some smaller colorful fish. All questions and comments are welcomed. Thanks everyone!
 
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I have that entire setup, a better filter, better light, nicer plants and a way CHEAPER price.
29g
versa top w/ 24 inch light
Whisper 40 filter
100 watt tronic heater
Custom made cabinet stand
Lots of fake plants

150 bucks

I live in Michigan and can arrange to get anywhere in Michigan or norther ohio.

Let me know what u think, its all brand new!

Sorry I just saw that u lived in SC. We can arrange for it to be shipped, but it might be expensive I am not sure.
 
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1. "Package" deals are rarely your best option- IMO they include unnecessary and/or substandard items that you will immediately need to upgrade or replace entirely.

Do you have any ideas on what type fish you plan on keeping?
I'd research things a bit longer until you are able to pick out a filter (for example) that suits your needs instead of whatever a shop slaps together to get rid of old stock.

2. Again- what type fish are you interested in? Substrate choices are very individual. Plan on live plants? Goldfish? Loaches or other burrowing fish? Browse some fish photos until you find a fish you can't live without- and work from there.

3. Daily interaction with any live creatures you are responsible for is always a good idea especially in the initial stages. After you get to be an old pro you can skip steps, but not at the beginning.

4. I'm a live plant fan also. I throw in everything at the beginning and get more of the plants that work and don't worry about those that don't. Different folks do it differently- but plants sure help a cycle IMO.

Just keep reading everything you can get hold of. The more you study before buying that first item the more likely you are to get everything right the first time. Once you purchase something your choices can get pretty limited in areas you didn't know existed.

You'll do fine- you're already ahead of the pack just by asking about these first steps!
 
1. "Package" deals are rarely your best option- IMO they include unnecessary and/or substandard items that you will immediately need to upgrade or replace entirely
I agree. Instead you could buy the tank (and perhaps gravel)locally and get everything else on the internet ( Big Als for example).
 
Thanks for the replys Cearbhaill and RHJ. I assumed that the package deal wasn't all that it was cracked up to be. But I don't have any experience to consider so I am relying on yours.

I really don't know what fish I have to choose from. I saw some betas, and brightly colored tetras at the store that I was partial to, but any brightly colored fish would be enough to make me happy. If you guys know of some websites you could recomend that have pictures and tell which other fish they work well with, that would be a big help.

As far as my opinions on substrates I am very partial to the natural sand look, but I'm thinking that this would be a little harder to clean so natural stones and pebbles. Something like these tanks, http://aquafiend.plantedtank.net/tanks.html , is what I'm looking for. Natural stones, drift wood, live plants. (If the owner of these tanks reads this, PM me, I have plenty of questions. These are awesome tanks.)

I read that the filter you choose needs to be rated at something like 6-7 times the gallons of your tank. But thats the extent of my knoledge.

If you could recomend some reputeable online stores I would greatly appereciate it also. Thanks everyone for the informative replys. :)
 
I'm as new to the site as you are .. and am in pretty much the same boat .... looking for a good deal on a tank, and deciding what I want to aim for in the end.

There are probably alot better sites out there for looking up fish, but I've been using Dr Foster & Smith's Live Aquaria to get a good look at what individual fish may look like, care specifics like PH needed and such, and a rough price that I'd end up having to spend.


Used tanks (I'm watching the local paper and want ads) are far far cheaper than anything a local petstore would have, and if you can find a cheap used tank (that holds water perfectly and is in good shape) you can get ideas and product reviews from people here ... and order online each filter or heater you'd need. Cheaper, better quality, and better peace of mind that you're not getting sub-standard parts or getting ripped off.
 
If you have the room I would suggest the 33 gallon tank. You want to get the biggest surface area possible to house the most fish possible. The 29 gallon is a tall tank that has the same surface area as a 20 gallon tank.

I would also suggest that you go to the store and see what fish you are really interested in, make a list and then see what sort of requirements you might need. For example if you want goldfish or african cichlids then you will probably not want to have a planted fish tank so the stock lighting will be fine.
 
Could you explain how a 20 and 29 have the same amount of surface area? I'm trying to get it but I just can't figure it out.

Is it also true that with anything over a 10 gal, you need to buy an actual stand? And the reasoning behind this is?
 
Tanks/water weights alot, more then most think imo.

a good rough estimate that gives room for error is 10lbs/gallon

most household furniture isnt ment to hold that much and can become unstable.

surface area is the square amount of area on either the bottem of the tank or the top,

a exageration would be a tank that is 2ft deep and 3ft long, if its 1ft high or 1000ft high it would have the same surface area
 
Yes, sorry about that. But a 20 gallon and 29 gallon (or 28) have the same foot print. The others are just taller. As for the stand it would depend on what you want to place it on. I have a 20 gallon tank on a home made coffee table and it is perfectly stable. I have a 10 gallon tank on a store bought shelf unit that has shelves cabale of holding 150 lbs each.

You can always build your own stand as well, instead of buying one. You just have to know the weight of the tank full of water and them make sure whatever you place it on can handle the weight. In some cases this also means the floor the stand will be on.

For safety sake I like to plan for 10 lbs per gallon of tank. This gives a slightly higher than actual weight.
 
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