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Nickeleye

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Hello everybody! I'm going to be making my first attempt at a saltwater tank setup soon, not to mention my first attempt at tank in general. Now I know most of you are probably thinking I'm nuts and already feeling sympathy for the poor animals that will be the first into the tank... Well, don't worry. I will have the ability to consult my friend (also a member of these forums... as40) who lives only 15 minutes away. Some of you may have already helped him or may have been helped by him. Secondly, I have the forums to consult. Thirdly, I'm a patient person and want to do this right.

Moving on, I will be buying my friend's 40 gallon acryllic tank. I know this is not completely ideal for a saltwater setup, but it should be adequate. I plan to make a reef type aquarium.

I was planning to include the following items with the tank:
AquaC Remora Protein Skimmer w/ Maxi-Jet 1200
AquaC Remora Filter Box for Maxi-Jet 1200
One Pro-Heat II Titanium IC Heater - 150w
One 36" Coralife Aqualight Single Linear Strip (96W Total)
~80 lbs of argonite sand
40-80 lbs of live rock
Between 5-8 fish (yet to be determined)
Cleaner shrimp, snails, etc.

I'm ready for some feedback. Please be gentle.
 
Thirdly, I'm a patient person and want to do this right.....I'm ready for some feedback. Please be gentle.
Read.
Read everything you can get your hands on- books, forums, websites. The more time you put into researching this demanding hobby (before you even add water) the better your chances of success.
 
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I would plan on much fewer fish than 5-8. 3, maybe 4, depending on what you get will be a much better goal, and much more sustainable in a reef. Small fish only--avoid predators and tangs, as the 40 will be too small. I would probably go for a single dwarf angel, a pair of basslets, and a smaller goby. The angel will be a slight risk in a reef, but they have great personalities and color.

Also, look at the corals you want before setting up the tank, and make sure that will be enough light. Most 40's are long and tend to be shallow, so the power compacts should be adequate, but you'll need to make sure before purchasing a photosynthetic critter.
 
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I guess recommendations are welcome as far as fish and corals go. Probably would stay away from anenomes for now. I'd probably want something pretty hardy since this is my first time around with this.

You mention about maybe 4-5 fish, but what size are you talking about?
 

As Cearbhaill said, you need to read. Get these two books and you will be good to go:

"The Conscientious Marine Aquarist: A Commonsense Handbook for Successful Saltwater Hobbyists" by Robert Fenner

and

"Marine Fishes: 500+ Essential-To-Know Aquarium Species" by Scott Michaels

The first is the saltwater bible, and the second is the fish encyclopedia (pocket sized of course)

Also, heres a list of fish from me, to give you more options:

Pair of Ocellaris Clownfish
2 Pajama Cardinalfish
1 Fire fish *or* 2 Neon Gobies
1 shrimp goby(such as a Hi Fin Red Banded Goby)
1 Tiger Pistol Shrimp - to go with the shrimp goby

With this list, you get a nice variety of fish and they are all beginner fish so they *shouldn't* be too hard to keep. Also since you mentioned something about an anemone; this way if you get one you will already have the clowns in there.
HTH
 
Would a Fire Fish really be a good idea? Aren't these types of fish agressive, not to mention poisonous?

I also just read a very interesting article about sand beds and this person does not recommend many (if any I guess) sand sifting life in the tank. Maybe I read that wrong. Opinions?
 
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Would a Fire Fish really be a good idea? Aren't these types of fish agressive, not to mention poisonous?

I meant a Firefish Goby (Nemateleotris magnifica)


You don't want to sandsift (especially DSBs) because it messes with the anarobic(sp?) pockets and when they burst because you poking at them, they release hydrogen sulfide - (i think it's hydrogen sulfide anyways) - and this basically kills your fish.
 
I also just read a very interesting article about sand beds and this person does not recommend many (if any I guess) sand sifting life in the tank. Maybe I read that wrong. Opinions?
This is where more reading comes in.
There are 1000 opinions out there on deep sand beds and the best substrate (if any!) for a reef tank. It would take several days of reading just to decide on this issue alone- deep sand beds can crash and they do need maintenance. They are not for everyone!
In the last year there has been something of a trend away from DSB's and back into sand sifting creatures in a 1-2 inch substrate.
It depends on you.

Then you have sump decisions, circulation decisions, plumbing decisions- all of which are to some extent dependent on your livestock choices.
My lighting decision took me *months* to make. For every product out there you will have those that recommend it and those that say "never"- there is simply lots of information that you need to wade through.

I'll second the recommendation on the Fenner book The Conscientious Marine Aquarist"- it is an excellent overview of the hobby. I also find the Sprung and Delbeek books "The Reef Aquarium volumes 1&2" very informative and readable, but they are pricey- used copies are sometimes on Ebay.

From time to time I read threads by old time reefers listing "things I wish I had known" or "if I had it to do over again" musings.
The common theme is patience in all respects. Patience when beginning your research, patience when setting up, patience when adding stock, and patience as it all comes together. Decisions of great import should not be made on the fly. You have to gather information, absorb it, then let your brain simmer. Then you'll know which path is right for you!
 
Originally posted by ben72227


I meant a Firefish Goby (Nemateleotris magnifica)


You don't want to sandsift (especially DSBs) because it messes with the anarobic(sp?) pockets and when they burst because you poking at them, they release hydrogen sulfide - (i think it's hydrogen sulfide anyways) - and this basically kills your fish.

I have to respectfully disagree here. The hydrogen Sulfide wipeing out tanks is pretty much a myth IMO.

As to sand sifters some are good and some are not so good. Need to appraise each on it's own merits.

Ray
 
Thanks for the responses. I still think I will be going with sand. I'm toying with between 2-4 inches... probably 3 though. I'm going to try to use the finest grain sand I can get a hold of.

I also don't think the hydrogen sulfide is really much of an issue unless you're using a rather thin sandbed.

At this point I'm most concerned about lighting the tank. Will a 92w single bub PC really work well for a 40g reef tank? I'm inclined to say I'd need a little more than that. I realize corals and so on can adjust to different amounts of light (within reason), but a 92w light would only put me at about 3w per gallon. Can anybody help me out on this?

I've actually got a pretty good idea where I want to go as far as the prelimenary parts of setting up the tank goes.
 
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