To DSB or not...That is my question.

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Are DSB's primarily for reef systems? and if so should I just stick to my wet/dry w/ skimmer for my FOWLR?

Also, should I have animals that stir the sand or not? I've ready both, one place says just have worms and pods, the burrowing is enough, but some on here believe you should have cucumbers and starfish. Thanks. BTW-I'm really having troubling figuring out if I should change over or not.
 
If it ain't broke don't fix it

If your tank is running fine, do not change it is my opinion. If you are changing it to experence something different or because it is broke, then you will find many different answers to your question. I personally love DSB with a large amount of different life forms. I use the worms and pods. I also use cucumbers. snails, crabs, and starfish.

Ray
 
Thanks for the help, here's what's happening.

I didn't find out about DSB's until a few months after I got my tank and wet/dry. But they sound wonderful. I only have my cycle fish in with some live rock and crabs right now. It cycled 2 months ago, but I'm putting new carpet in the room in a few weeks and decided to leave those fish in until I put the carpet in. See, I already have to take the tank down for a day, and therefore, this is my last real oppurtune time to make the change if I'm going to make it. It wouldn't be too much trouble since the tank has to come down anyway.

Does this scenario make more sence now. I know it sounded like I was just changing for the sake of changing. But if DSB's are so much better than wet/dry, then if the tanks gotta come down, why not change right?
 
I'd say go for it. If you're disrupting it anyway, add a dsb.

Good time to add some detritivores, while the tank is lightly stocked. Inland Aquatics and IPSF have some nice collections of scavenging inverts and cultures you could add to get your sandbed going.
 
There seems to be two predominant schools of thought on DSBs. One side says that DSBs are essential in most SW tanks, because of their denitrifying abilities. The other schools believes that barebottom (or almost barebottom) tanks are the way to go.

The first school maintains that a properly maintained DSB will go a long way for maintaining near zero nitrate levels in a tank. Most of them point out to results that nearly all DSBs display... undetectable nitrate levels within a very short period of time.

However, the second school of thought believes that a DSB acts more like a nutrient sponge, rather than an actual filter. After this "sponge" has been saturated, nutrient levels within the tank will start to raise again. They also point out that quite a few tanks with DSBs rarely last longer than 5+ years without crashing. Tanks with a DSB generally need to have at least part of the DSB replaced every few years.

Its a big debate over in RC... I'm not sure which side is correct. However, since I do live up in Canada, and its near impossible for me to get any kind of detrivore kit up here, I'll probably just go with a near barebottom tank. A good skimmer, LR, and a refugium with macro algaes in it should be enough to maintain good water quality.

-Richer
 
I actually wish I had a DSb when I initially set up my reef tank. I used a bed only about 2-3", but it still works quite well. I have noticed my nitrates stay safe, but I would have much more peace of mind if they were consistently around zero. I am actually very interested in the Nitratereductor made by Aquamedic to give me peace of mind with nitrates. Has anyone here used the nitratereductor? The LFS shops near me have them on their display reefs and all claim to have zero nitrates. I assume if the DSB does crash, having a nitratereductor will save the tank.
 
Originally posted by Richer
There seems to be two predominant schools of thought on DSBs. One side says that DSBs are essential in most SW tanks, because of their denitrifying abilities. The other schools believes that barebottom (or almost barebottom) tanks are the way to go.

The first school maintains that a properly maintained DSB will go a long way for maintaining near zero nitrate levels in a tank. Most of them point out to results that nearly all DSBs display... undetectable nitrate levels within a very short period of time. ---While I believe a DSB is a benefit to a tank, I do not use it for the low levels of nitrate. That is just a bonus if it happens. I use it as a place for detrivores to live a do their work.

However, the second school of thought believes that a DSB acts more like a nutrient sponge, rather than an actual filter. After this "sponge" has been saturated, nutrient levels within the tank will start to raise again. They also point out that quite a few tanks with DSBs rarely last longer than 5+ years without crashing. Tanks with a DSB generally need to have at least part of the DSB replaced every few years. --- Actually I've not seen any scientifc evedence of this. Just an idea posted by Dr Ron. In my opinion a half baked idea. As to them requiring replacement at about 5 years - how does that square with Robert's that is over 16 years old and the many more that are passed the 5 year mark.

Its a big debate over in RC... I'm not sure which side is correct. However, since I do live up in Canada, and its near impossible for me to get any kind of detrivore kit up here, I'll probably just go with a near barebottom tank. A good skimmer, LR, and a refugium with macro algaes in it should be enough to maintain good water quality. ---I agree that that will work. I disagree when people say it is the only option and a PS is essential.

-Richer

Best Wishes,
Ray
 
Originally posted by Kit Walker
I actually wish I had a DSb when I initially set up my reef tank. I used a bed only about 2-3", but it still works quite well. I have noticed my nitrates stay safe, but I would have much more peace of mind if they were consistently around zero. I am actually very interested in the Nitratereductor made by Aquamedic to give me peace of mind with nitrates. Has anyone here used the nitratereductor? The LFS shops near me have them on their display reefs and all claim to have zero nitrates. I assume if the DSB does crash, having a nitratereductor will save the tank.

Hi Kit, First what are your levels of nitrates? If below 40ppm there are very few animals most keep in SW aqariums IMO that would be affected. Personal opinion, I think the numbers you see in books were picked totally out of the air. The numbers I saw from one study years ago placed them much higher; so I wanted to see for my self. This is not a reccomendation, just what I tried out of curiousity. I ran a tank for 2 years with the nitrates above 200ppm. I did not lose 1 fish, I lost one coral ( which may have died due to a lighting problem that lasted months). The corals did not grow as fast as in tanks, but did grow. The thrid year I ran it with nitrates above 1200ppm. Still no fishes died. I still have most today ( Some died in a mishap a year later when beening transfered to a new tank setup). The grow of the corals, all softies slowed some more but they stayed alive and grew slowly.

Now do I reccomend high nitrates - NO! keep them as low as possible, but a spike to 40 or 80 is not a problem from what I've seen.

Ray
 
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