Help me figure out why all my fish died

DREW

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Jan 14, 2004
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Sorry this is so long.
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It started about a week ago. I lost 2 Perc. clowns & 1 royal gramma. 1 of the clowns was the very first one I got back in December. The other clown , had a few months. The royal gramma I've had a little over a month.

Last Wednesday I scooped some sand out of my tank to seed a new tank. The next day I woke to a dead clown fish (the 1 I had a few months. In a panic I dead a five gallon water change, I also added Mela Fix & Sress Zyme by Aquarium Pharmaceuticals. I usually try to avoid using chemicals. Some of the live rock did get moved around a little during the water change but nothing major. Everything seemed fine that Friday.

Then that Saturday I woke to a dead royal gramma, which seemed fined the day before & was eating well. Then noticed some white stringy stuff on my oldest & last clown. So I did another water change. Then had to take the family out to my sisters ( 2 hours away ) for an early mothers day thing there. When I got back home that night that clown was dead too.
:mad:

Only the last clown had some white stringy stuff on it. What was this ?

All water parameters checked out fine before & after water changes. I did switch from Instant Ocean to Reef Crystals, could that have been the cause ? The only other thing I can think of is when I scooped some sand out. Could I have kicked up some toxic gas. I didn't even realize I dug 3 times in the same spot.
BUT ! Why weren't my inverts affected ? all the inverts are still doing fine.
The tank has been running fishless now since that Saturday night.
I wanted to post this sooner but had to go back to work Sunday & I haven't had time to get on the computer.
Could I have just done too much all at once & stressed the fish out ? Or did digging too deep in sand bring up something bad ?
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Any help is always appreciated.

Tank Specs link below not updated yet.
 
Did the pH change when you switched salts? This has been known to cause fluctuations in conditions, since the salts are not the same.

Otherwise--unlikely that digging in the sand did anything. I've done much more than pull out a few scoops without any adverse reactions. The toxic substances in the sand--if present at all--will be lethal to inverts as well as fish.

It sounds more like a nasty bacterial infection to me.
 
The stringy stuff may have been slime secreted by the fish in response to some irritant, or maybe an infection. Who knows. I hate reading posts like this, and am really sorry to hear how things are going.

If the inverts are doing well, maybe letting the system be fishless for a while will allow whatever it is to die or take its course.
 
Thanks a lot OrionGirl & mogurnda.

I had plan to let it run fishless for a while but would a week be long enough or should I go longer ?

There was no Ph difference with last test but plan to do another test Friday.
 
Unless there's a reason to hurry, I'd give it longer. Give pathogens or parasites a chance to die off. Also, you can scope out your next fish at the LFS, put a deposit on them, and see how they fare while you're waiting. Assuming the store will let you do it.
 
Not really in any hurry, just everyday my 4 year old tells me we have to go get more fish. He doesn't understand yet. :)
I'm really liking the black percullas.
Did a water test today.

Ph= 8.2 last test was 8.0.

Ammonia = .25 it was at zero last week.

Nitrite = 0

Nitrate = 20

Sg = 1.022

I'll give it another week with a water change in between & see what happens.

I had to move rocks around B4 I did the test & that kicked up a lot of debries clouding the tank a little. Would that have any effect on test's results ?
My hairy hitchicker crab was pulling my blue leg hermits under his rock & trying to eat them, after rescuing the 3rd one I decided to take the hitchicker out & put it into the 15 gal that I have cycling. It's been running for 2 weeks
I didn't want harm the booger but I felt I had no other choice.

One more question , :( would I be a bad fish keeper if I used one of my fish that died to help cycle a new tank ?
 
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If there are parasites or pathogens, then you'll innoculate the new tank with them. Probably OK, but I wouldn't think it worth the risk.
 
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