Mono Sebaes FREE to a good home.

[goldfish freak]

Hello everyone. I unfortunately cannot keep my Mono Sebaes any more . Circumstances have changed and it would be too much for me to keep them. I am offering these fish for free to anyone that can provide them a good home. This would mean a large aquarium, minimum being a long 120 gallon, preferablely 200+. They are four young fish that measure between 3 3/4 and 5 1/2 each. They are currently in a specific gravity of 1.015 and I have been slowly increasing it to a marine level. I would be willing to ship these fish if the person taking them pays shipping and someone instructs me on how to safely do this. Although I would prefer to place them locally. If any is interested plaese pm me. Thanks.
I have already posted this in the classified section but am also posting here in order to get a wider audience.

[Huyzel]

arg... right now i have a 55 with some small archers and i'm gonna get some small monos(argentus) soon.
and i plan on getting a larger tank when they grow up. (soon as possible)

anyway, i would think that the 5 inchers would be too cramped in my 55 :( but maybe i can house the smaller ones??

anyways, if you should have trouble finding a home for the smaller ones, i'd be happy to pick them up and give them a home.

i have brackish tanks with SG=1.012
i live in scarboro.

thanks,
Huy
huyzel@rogers.com

[goldfish freak]

Huyzel, How long is your 55 gallon tank, and hoe many and how alrge are the archers? Most importantly how soon would you be getting the larger tank, and how large would it be? I would consider giving you all four monos depending on the load of fish you have and if you are planning on getting at least a 120 gallon within a 2 or 3 months. Please let me know. Also are you planning on raising the specific gravity of your water?

[Huyzel]

hi Goldfish Freak,
My 55 is four feet long.
I have 3 two inch archers.
I also have 1 three inch scat.
Was considering getting mono argentus rather than sabae's (3?)
I am considering a 110 gal, that is available NOW,
but i would like a slightly bigger tank... say 120+ whenever a deal rolls around.
i would probably go full marine when the scat and mono's are full grown in the larger tank(when i buy it soon hopefully :) )
If there is someone else with a larger tank, then they'll be happier there. but if you can't find anyone else, i'll take them from ya.

thanks,
Huy

[goldfish freak]

Let me know if you get the 110 gallon+ tank within the next couple of weeks, and I will give them to you. I would ideally would like to give them away by then. I am glad that you are concerned about the welfare of these fish. I am also glad that you are planning on raising the specific gravity to the marine level since this is waht is best for these fish as well as your scat when they become mature. If you do buy the 110 gallon+ tank, I feel that the enviroment you will provide will be good for these fish. Also since you are so close by the fish would be far less stressed when they reach their new home. By the way My Sebaes are growing up to be really beauties. I think you will be plaesed with their appearance.

[Huyzel]

Sounds good to me.
stay in touch so i can let you know of any possible tank upgrades.
where abouts in toronto are you?

here's my info:
email : huyzel@rogers.com
msn: pimpdaddy_h@hotmail.com
icq: 19973539

Later,
Huy

[olaf]

I am interested in your Sebae Monos. I have been looking for 4 Sebae I have one Sebae Mono = 4 1/2" and 5 Argentine Monos = 4 1/2". I have a 150 gal acrylic tank 48"L x 30"H x 24"D. I have been asking the LFS to get some Sebaes in but no luck and when they do come in they are the size of quarters (too small).
Have you found out what shipping would be for them?
I feed my fish premium live food and some frozen food.
All of my fish are of show quality.
I have plans to build a room size tank in the near future

[olaf]

here is the other side of the tank.
I plan to have it designed after these photos.

[Pufferpunk]

Wow, what a cool tank! Is that in your office? What fish are in there now?

[Huyzel]

that is quite the tank that you are planning on building!

do you have pics of your current 150? i'd like to see that too.
:)

[olaf]

No pics of the 150 gal off hand but I can get some.
I asked the LFS to order one at the measurements I stated eariler and one week later I had it. I was a little pricy for the size, $1050.00.
Filtration:
Eheim 2228 (275 gph)
Eheim 2026 (250 gph)
PowerSweep 280 (270 gph)
H.O.T. Magnum (250 gph)

[olaf]

I am planning on adding a Lifegard Aquarium Filter System (double - design for 200 gal tanks) to my 150 gal and removing the H.O.T. Magnum.
I also have a SeaClone™ Protein Skimmer.
Lifegard Aquarium Filter System
AF-94 Mechanical Module
AF-93 Chemical Module
AF-92 Heater Module
UV Sterilizer Module

The salinity ranges from 1.005 to 1.018 dependinding on season to match their natural habitat. The tank is at 1.013 right now.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, that sounds great. With the size tank you have, it's current inhabitants and your plans for a much larger tank, I would love to give you my Sebaes. Where are you located? I have not found out how much shipping would come out to, or how to go about doing it safely and efficiently. My main concern with shipping these fish is their safety and the amount of stress it would cause them. I will do my best to find out how to ship them. I think you will be plaesed with the appearance of my fish they are developing very nicely. I will try to get some good pics and post them here.

[olaf]

I live in Michigan.
How long have you had your sebaes?
I have had my fish for a little over two years.
I have a quartine tank setup for any new fish I would aquire. It is setup for low stress in a dim tranquil place in my home.

More info about your sebaes, how are you measuring, from head to tail or from top to bottom?

[goldfish freak]

I have had my Sebaes for nearly 4 months now. I got them when they were just little things at about 1 1/2 inches. I measure them by total height, top to bottom, so from tip of fin to tip of fin. Olaf, If I can find out how to safely ship my fish will you pay shipping, or would it depend on how much it costs? Also I am curious as to how you are measuring them? 4 1/2 inches seems kind of small for an adult Sebae.

[olaf]

4 1/2" is from nose to tail, 6 3/4" to 7" tall. He tries to school with my Argentine Monos, but I think he would be happier schooling if he had some like his own.
When I got my Monos I got 5 Sebaes and 5 Argentines they were the size of a quarter. The Sebaes had very little fin elongation. They looked almost like the Argentines.
Four of the five Sebaes died about 6 months after I got them. I had gotten a Ceylon Puffer that went after the Sebaes, attached them and started eating them. Damage done in one day. :(
I returned the puffer to the store and told the owner what had happened.

Find out about how much it will cost. I will be stopping in at the LFS and I will ask them about shipping fish. I will get back with you on what I find out.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, just to let you know I will not ship my fish if I don't feel that they will be okay in transit. I do not want there to be a chance that my fish will arrive dead or will die from the ordeal of shipping.

[olaf]

My Sebae is a little smaller than the one in this picture. (about an inch smaller)
http://filaman.uni-kiel.de/images/Moseb_u1.jpg.

Illustrations:
Monodactylus sebae
http://filaman.uni-kiel.de/images/Moseb_u0.gif
http://www.calgaryaquariumsociety.com/Thumbnails/Monodactylus_sebae.gif
Inhabits mainly estuaries and mangroves. Enters lagoons and freshwaters. Feeds on fish, shrimps and zooplankton.

Monodactylus argenteus
http://filaman.uni-kiel.de/images/Moarg_u1.gif
Dorsal spines (total): 7-8; Dorsal soft rays (total): 27-31; Anal spines: 3-3; Anal soft rays: 27-32.
Commonly found in mangrove estuaries, often entering creeks. Sometimes found in silty coastal reefs. Can live in freshwater. Feeds on plankton and detritus. Highly territorial.

Monodactylus falciformis
http://filaman.uni-kiel.de/images/Mofal_u0.gif
Dorsal spines (total): 8-8; Dorsal soft rays (total): 25-30; Anal spines: 3-3; Anal soft rays: 25-29.
Adults silvery with dusky dorsal and anal lobes; juveniles dusky with dark vertical bars.
Biology: Inhabits coastal waters including estuaries and lagoons. Seldom enters freshwater.

Monodactylus kottelati
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Related to the Family:

Schuettea scalaripinnis
http://filaman.uni-kiel.de/images/Scsca_u8.jpg
Schools are found in coastal bays, protected island coves, deeper part of large estuaries close to the sea entrance, and along rocky drop-offs with kelp.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, I can't see the first two pictures. All I see are red X's.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, I just found out that I need a license to ship the fish out of the country. A dealer here in Toronto said that the license would be expensive. I wonder if you are willing to drive over to Toronto to pick up the fish? It is not too far from Michigan. By the time you factor in paying for the license and the cost of shipping over night for these size fish. It would be less expensive to drive here and back. Although it would be time consuming. Please let me know.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, I just found out that I need a license to ship the fish out of the country. A dealer here in Toronto said that the license would be expensive. I wonder if you are willing to drive over to Toronto to pick up the fish? It is not too far from Michigan. By the time you factor in paying for the license and the cost of shipping over night for these size fish. It would be less expensive to drive here and back. Although it would be time consuming. Please let me know.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, I just found out that I need a license to ship the fish out of the country. A dealer here in Toronto said that the license would be expensive. I wonder if you are willing to drive over to Toronto to pick up the fish? It is not too far from Michigan. By the time you factor in paying for the license and the cost of shipping over night for these size fish. It would be less expensive to drive here and back. Although it would be time consuming. Please let me know.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, I just found out that I need a license to ship the fish out of the country. A dealer here in Toronto said that the license would be expensive. I wonder if you are willing to drive over to Toronto to pick up the fish? It is not too far from Michigan. By the time you factor in paying for the license and the cost of shipping over night for these size fish. It would be less expensive to drive here and back. Although it would be time consuming. Please let me know.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, I just found out that I need a license to ship the fish out of the country. A dealer here in Toronto said that the license would be expensive. I wonder if you are willing to drive over to Toronto to pick up the fish? It is not too far from Michigan. By the time you factor in paying for the license and the cost of shipping over night for these size fish. It would be less expensive to drive here and back. Although it would be time consuming. Please let me know.

[olaf]

I talked to the LFS about the offer and the options. Her brother lives in toronto and travels down to michigan to visit her often.
The trip by car is more than six hours. I can make St. Cathrine (sp?) in about 6.
Back to the subject... She is going to see when her brother is coming down next time and we can make plans for a transfer.
Does that sound ok with you?

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, that sounds good to me, it will save you all that money and it will prevent the risk to the sebaes. Please let me know as soon as you find out when she is going to Toronto. I hope it will be soon.

[RJJ_EXPERT]

200 gallon for a couple of jouves are utryen to breed them?

you could keeep them in a 50 for a while but then youwant want about a 100-125 when they sart toget big

[olaf]

I should hear back from the owner of the LFS soon about her brothers planned road trip from toronto to here. I will then tell you the plans and we can go from there.
Thanks

[goldfish freak]

That sounds good. I hope that it is soon, my Monos are getting crowded :( . Please keep me up to date. Thanks.

[olaf]

I just got the contact info for the LFS owner’s brother, who lives in Toronto, Canada. I will be contacting him tomorrow to setup tentative plans to transport the Sebae Monos.
It has taken a long time because he has been on vacation in the Bahamas.
I will be getting back with you soon to make plans.

[goldfish freak]

Great! Let me know.

[olaf]

I contacted the brother and talked.
He said it would take about 7 to 9 hours to get here in Michigan.
His concern was the long trip on the fish.
"Fish usually do not have a problem with a 4 hour trip, but 8 hours is a long time in a bag..."

His next concern is being stopped at the boarder.
Do you have any idea aboput the regulations on bringing fish over the boarder? I have no idea.

[goldfish freak]

I am not really concerned about the fish being in the bags that long because I am planning on packing them the same way that people that ship oversees do. I will put each fish in an individual bag, place a "Bag Buddies" tablet in each one and then fill the bag with oxygen, double bag it and place the bags in a box with styrofoam filling. About crossing the border, from what I know It is not a big deal if you contact the appropriate officials before hand and tell them you are taking fish across the border. Or you can simply conceal the box and not declare that you are transporting fish, many people have done it and have not had problems. I will call the appropriate officials and ask about the details involved. I will do this very soon, and let you know. Did you find out when he is planning on going to Michigan?

[olaf]

He told me to get the detail and tell him and he'll plan the trip...

[goldfish freak]

So he is planning on going very soon? Olaf, I called customs Canada and they told me that I need to contact customs in the US, since the fish are going into the US it is up to them if they will allow the fish across the border. I will contact them most likely tomorrow. I will get back to you with the details as soon I find out.

[olaf]

ok

[olaf]

Have you found out anything?

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, Not yet, I have not had a chance to call, but I will do so tomorrow and let you know.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, I just talked to the fish and wildlife inspector in Detroit. She told me that the person that will be receiving the fish(you) will need to contact her concerning the fish. She says that she needs details from you, concerning what you are plan to do with the fish, what border crossing you will be receiving them, etc. She also said that you will need to sumbit a fish and wildlife declaration form, for approval in order to receive the fish. She told me that it depends on the fishes country of orgin as to wether they will be allowed into the US. The inspectors number is: 734-247-6801. The web site where you can obtain the form is www.le.fws.gov , form # 3-177. Also to let you know, I asked the pet store where the fish were imported from and he said it was Singapore. This sure sounds like a pain to me. I hope everthing works out. Please let me know what you find out. Thanks.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, did you get last reply? Have you found out anything yet?

[olaf]

I have looked over the form.
I am in the processes of putting an engine into my Honda right now. Within two weeks I should have it back on the road I just might drive up there and pick them up myself.

I'll keep intouch with you sorry this has been taking so long.
Thanks for being patient.

[goldfish freak]

No problem, I was started to get a little worried that you were not interested in the monos anymore. I think that it would be best if you were able to come and pick them up yourself. Have you gotten a chance to talked to the inspector yet? She made it seem that it was important that you talk with her about importing the fish.

[olaf]

I tried to contact the game and wildlife dept at the phone number you gave. it was only a recording.
Didn't leave any info.

[goldfish freak]

I know what you mean, I had to call a few times before I got through to the inspector.

[Pufferpunk]

Hi guys, I've just been reading through all your posts & I noticed a concern about the long ride with the fish & stressing them out. I recently shipped 2 fahaka puffers to Singapore. It was almost a 48 hour trip. The bags were filled w/oxygen & the fish were tranquilized. We also had a hot pack added to the box, although you'll be transporting them in a warm car. I had to take them to a fish shipper to do this. Your trip isn't nearly as long, but I would definately try to at least pack them w/O2.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, I would like to know if you are planning on picking up the monos soon? Please let me know.

[olaf]

I have become very busy lately. But I am still interested.
I will probably set up with the LFS owners brother to bring them to me. Lets set up a time and details and I will see if they can fit into his schedule.
OK
Thanks for being so patient.

[goldfish freak]

Olaf, private message me your e-mail address and we will talk about the details. As for which day, the sooner the better. How about this Sunday ? I will always have Sundays off so they are good for me. Give me your e-mail address and we will talk.
Thanks.