Opinions on my idea for a riffle tank

chkltcow

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I've been playing with the notion of getting a 20g long or 30g long tank later this fall and going back to my parents house to get some fish, gravel, and plants from the woods behind the house. There's a stream that runs down through there, lots of plants sprouting up out of the rocks, some nice looking plants that I can't identify, and some small fish that I can't positively identify. Considering the area and their size, they're some species of shiner, dace, or chub... I guess. Just a small silvery 1-2" long minnow.

So, how could I go about making it like it is down there. There's a shallow moving stream about 3-4" deep that feeds into a large pool that's probably about 3' deep in the deepest part. Obviously, I can't get anything that deep, but how could I simulate something like that in an aquarium with powerheads and filters. Would a 20g or 30g be enough to do something like that with, and have the little waterfall trickle that exists down there that they occasionally hop up into the stream from the pool? Possible?

If I do this, it'll be fall-winter... probably October or so. I don't dare venture into those woods during the summer.... too many ticks and copperheads that I want nothing to do with. Come to think of it, after a little run-in with a very territorial, very angry deer a few years ago... I don't venture down there without a rifle, either. But that's a whole other story. It does make me wonder if I can maintain something like this considering I only have seasonal access to the area, though. Bah, I'm just rambling now.... comments please?
 
Powerheads can make the water movement you are wanting. Try hooking a tube or hose to the intake on the powerhead and running it under the gravel or whatever so it sucks from the "left" side of the tank and is sprayed back up from the "right" side back towards the "left". The "left" side being a deeper pool-like area and the path the water takes from the "right" sorta like a stream.

That's all I can think of now. You will just have to play around with it.
 
This is kinda how I visualized it. The brown is gonna be carved polystyrene or some other material I can mold and carve, covered with some type of sand held on with silicon. The green spots will be holes cut out for planting terrestrial plants. The streambed itself will be filled with those smooth pebbles that come out of the real streambed. I want to do a biotype aquarium, and this is one that I can do that I've actually observed first-hand, not just read about in a book.

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So how would you suggest plumbing that and what type of filter could I fit in the hollow under the molded frame? Or would you put it under the molded part? Would the filtration be seperate from the powerhead flow?

As for the plants and fish... it's been a while. As best I can remember, they're about 2" long max... a little hump to their back, flat belly, and a shiny silver color. When I was about 10 years old, a friend of mine and I would sit down there with a piece of 4lb fishing line with the smallest non-barbed hook we could get and catch them like that. We threw most of them back, but kept about 5 and put them in my grandparents goldfish pond. They were all still there about 3 years later when my grandfather drained the pond and fixed a crack... but after that they disappeared as the bullfrogs and osprey found the pond and thought it was their buffet, dining on our goldfish and those little minnows. The plants are mostly terrestrial, but I do remember some stuff that looked like grass on the streambed fluttering in the current. Whatever it is, it's not gonna get a lot of light with the thick canopy of trees overhead.. but it still grows.
 
Completely off topic-
How pleased I was to see someone using the word "riffle"!
Most non- redneck folks don't even know what it means.

My first wedding was at a location called "Pegwood Riffle"- even says so right on the marriage certificate.
I, the husband to be, his uncle/pastor, and a few game relatives waded across the riffle to a tiny mound of earth in the middle of the water. Older grandparents and those wearing "good clothes" watched from the riverbank.

Sadly the whole area is now underwater in a huge man made recreation area called Cave Run in Eastern Kentucky.

Just sparked a memory...

Back to your reglarly scheduled conversation.
 
One thing I notice about chubs and such is they are easily spooked.

I have not kept them with any great success.

They are not as hardy as they seem.
 
Crawdads, crawdabbers, mudbugs - yep yep yep.


I'm always conflicted when I hear about someone catching wild fish for their aquarium. This will probably start an avalanche of opinion!

On the one hand - I like keeping fish and I tell myself all my fish were captive-bred (fooling myself?) And so, I don't think it's right for someone to capture wild fish and put them in a tank.

On the other hand, we all encourage the capture of wild fish by buying stuff for our tanks, and who knows? - Maybe those little guys you catch at the old homestead will live a longer and calmer life in your tank away from all the nasties out there in the wild.
 
Nice to see the dirty south is in the house. I just moved from Charlotte NC and I have a frat brother from Stanley.

I like the picture. You could make the "rock" out of styrofoam from HD or Lowes and cover it in concrete.
I'm making a background but you can just make it at a bottom piece.
Try these sites for that.

www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/diy_aquarium_background.php
or
www.catfishheaven.net/day1.html

Also you could get a submersable (sp.?) pump and clear tube and run it through the styrofoam before you concrete it and that would provide the water flow.

For a filter I think a Foam filter (is that what its called, some one can help out here)this would be seen unless you could hide it. I like the idea though. Let us know how everything goes
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