New tank, new user plant question

Silvyn

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I'm starting on my first tank ever, and have spent the past few weeks reading everything I can. I think I've only got one question that I can't find an answer to.

I want to eventually have live plants in my tank, but I'm not sure I want to take on the task of raising fish and plants all at once with no experience. So, is it feasible to start off with fish and then add plants later, or should I take it all on at once? I know that plants require different lighting and certain fish aren't good with live plants. But other than that, is there any reason I shouldn't start with just fish, and then come back and add live plants in a few months when I'm more comfortable?

Thanks in advance,
Jamie
 
Lots of people use plastic/silk plants all the time and never have live plants. Just choose fish that don't require live plants!(i can't think off any offhand). It;s really easy to look after plants, ask your lfs for some hardy plants :)
Good luck!
 
First off, welcome to AC, and also welcome to the slight insanity that is... LIVE PLANTS.

The general concensus is to start with plants, and then add fish. The plants will accomodate your fish to some degree (cycling, nitrAte removal, lowering of stress, etc.). However, there are a good number of plants that require little maintenance, light and nutrients, and these might be a good start off point for your tank.

The Easy Life Habitat has been a favorite starting place and reference for me. The plants listed therein (for the most part) are hard to kill, given even the dimmest of tank lights and just a little fertilizer. They also tend to grow slowly, so pruning and maintenance is lower than you might think.
 
Thanks for the quick responses. It seems to me a lot more difficult to start a tank without the fish (at least for the cycling process). How would having just plants and no fish affect that? Would I need to just add the ammonia manually?

Am I better off just getting a few hard to kill plants and 2 or 3 hard to kill fish all at once and taking it from there? Or am I, as someone that's never had a tank, just taking on too much responsibility with both, and should just be content with fish only (and fake plants)?
 
You can't fishless cycle with plants. If you want to do a 'silent cycle', where the plants basically eliminate the cycling process, you need to have your tank fairly well stocked with fast growing plants, high light (at least 2.5wpg), and CO2. In other words, you need a fast growth environment to suck up all the ammonia produced.

My advice to you if you're nervous about learning plants and fish at the same time (assuming you already have a tank and all) is to set up your substrate for live plants (2-3" of a good substrate for plants like Fluorite, Profile, Turface, etc.). Add a light dusting of peat to the bottom of the tank before you add the substrate, very light, just enough to lightly cover the glass, then add the substrate. Fill the tank slowly and do a fishless cycle.

Decide what plants you want while the tank is cycling and based on that, pick some easy to care for fish that will complement the tank. Your decision on plants will be based on how much light you want to invest in and whether you want to get into the whole CO2 adventure (over about 2wpg, you'll need to). Ask around here, peruse sites like www.thekrib.com , www.plantgeek.net , www.tropica.com to help make your decisions.

After you've gained some experience with fish, it will also give you some time to put together a hood more suited to growing plants, you can add the plants confident that you've got a quality substrate (full of fertilizer from fish poop). Oh! Get some Malasian Trumpet Snails, lots of 'em. They'll help keep your substrate loose and they'll carry fish wastes down into the substrate as they burrow.

So yeah, by then it should just be an issue of adding the new hood (more light) and plants (CO2?) and you'll be all set.
 
happychem said:
My advice to you if you're nervous about learning plants and fish at the same time (assuming you already have a tank and all) is to set up your substrate for live plants (2-3" of a good substrate for plants like Fluorite, Profile, Turface, etc.). Add a light dusting of peat to the bottom of the tank before you add the substrate, very light, just enough to lightly cover the glass, then add the substrate. Fill the tank slowly and do a fishless cycle.

This sounds perfect, happychem. One quick question before I get started. You said fill the tank slowly. It's a 25 gallon tank. Does that mean just add 5 gallons a day, or pour the 25 gallons in all at once, but slowly (so as not to stir it up?). I've got the tank sitting outside making sure it doesn't leak, and I'm going to ge the supplies today. But if there's one thing I've learned from this forum, it's don't rush a thing.
 
Ooops, I guess I should have made that more clear.

Rinse your substrate as well as you can before hand. Note that Fluorite doesn't rinse completely clean. Then fill it slowly (but all the way ;) ) directing the water flow into a shallow bowl or saucer to decrease the amount of turbulence.
 
Sounds good. I'll let you know how it works. Thanks again for everyone's feedback.
 
If you want an easy to use substrate that is also good for a planted tank, I recommend Eco-Complete. Its a black substrate that comes pre-washed and you don't need to add anything else (though a little peat at the bottom is always helpful). I've always had trouble planting stem plants in gravel that is less than 3" so get enough substrate to cover 3" in areas you are planning to plant.
 
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